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Added by Alistair Ellsbury on 02/09/2006 09:56:15 Pen I take it nothing has come of further search on El(l)sbury... now looking at dads family on his mother side and any info would be much appreciated.. his mam was Hilda Trotter born 1897 at Ryton near Gateshead...her father was Thomas Robert Trotter but mother unknown although could be descended from a Coxon Elliott family....Hilda had four siblings -Sydney (1895?) Janet(1892?) Rose Annie(1899?) & Eleanor (1903?) cant thank you enough for your work Alistair *************************************************** 1901 Name: Hilda Trotter Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Margaret J Gender: Female Where born: Ryton, Durham, England Civil parish: Stella Ecclesiastical parish: Blaydon St Cuthbert Town: Stella County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Winlaton ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 147 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Allan 68 abt 1833 Belford, Northumberland, England Mother-in-law Isabella Coxas Elliott 18 abt 1883 Woodburn, Northumberland, England Stepdaughter Hilda Trotter 3 abt 1898 Ryton, Durham, England Daughter Janet Trotter 8 abt 1893 Gosforth, Northumberland, England Daughter Margaret J Trotter 39 abt 1862 Belford, Northumberland, England Wife Robert Trotter 40 abt 1861 Belsey, Northumberland, England Head Rose Annie Trotter 1 abt 1900 Ryton, Durham, England Daughter Sydney Trotter 5 abt 1896 Gosforth, Northumberland, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4764; Folio: 125; Page: 26. ************************** Could this be their marriage - View Record Matthew Brown 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Castle Ward Northumberland View Record Margaret Jane Elliott 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Castle Ward Northumberland View Record Annie Julia Phillips 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Castle Ward Northumberland View Record Robert Trotter 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec Castle Ward Northumberland ********************** 1881 census for the mother in law - ALLAN looks like a 2nd marriage so maybe Margaret J -started off as an Armstrong like Elleanor?? Name: Elleanor Armstrong Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Step Daughter Gender: Female Where Born: Belford, Northumberland, England Civil parish: Stannington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Cottage Blagdon Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Gen Dom Serv Registration district: Castle Ward Sub registration district: Ponteland ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Allan 48 Belford, Northumberland, England abt 1833 John Allan 76 Shilbottle, Northumberland, England abt 1805 Elleanor Armstrong 16 *********************** 1871 - Well there is a Margaret Armstrong - so you should now be able to work out the marriages using the free images on Ancestry Name: Eleanor Armstrong Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Eleanor Gender: Female Where born: Belford, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Stannington Ecclesiastical parish: Stannington Town: Stannington County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Castle Ward Sub-registration district: Ponteland ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Eleanor Armstrong 47 abt 1824 Belford, Northumberland, England Head Eleanor Armstrong 6 abt 1865 Belford, Northumberland, England Daughter James Armstrong 12 abt 1859 Belford, Northumberland, England Son John Armstrong 16 abt 1855 Belford, Northumberland, England Son Margt Armstrong 9 abt 1862 Belford, Northumberland, England Daughter Pen X Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5136; Folio: 73; Page: 3; GSU roll: 847401.

Added by Ivesolvedit Moseley on 02/09/2006 11:00:32 Hi Pen I'm looking for 1841 Watch in Warwickshire, have a James Watch buried 1833, Leamington and looking to find if any likely family were still around. Regards David *************************************************************************** 1841 No Watch found in Warwickshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added by Ivesolvedit Moseley on 02/09/2006 11:11:40 Hi Pen I have another one please. Looking for James Osborne & wife Sarah nee Watch, she born c1829, married 1857 Lambeth, so the Lambeth area in 1861. I have no information on him, believe she may have been born Gloucestershire. Many thanks David *************************************************************************** The only one I can 'turn up' ........ Could Sarah of been a second wife according to the marriage cert? 1861 Name: Sarah Osborne Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Charlotte Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Kennington First ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Mackseama 27 Chas Mackseama 5 Willm Mackseama 3 Emma Osborne 6 abt 1855 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter James Osborne 32 Jas Osborne 9 abt 1852 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Louisa Osborne 4 abt 1857 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Sarah Osborne 32 abt 1829 Lambeth, Surrey, England Wife Sarah Ann Osborne 11 abt 1850 Lambeth, Surrey, England Daughter Robt Thurlow 20 abt 1841 Lambeth, Surrey, England Lodger Lambeth Surrey Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 358; Folio: 2; Page: ; GSU roll: 542622. ****UPDATE have checked the family on the 1871 and she is not your girl Pen x

Added by Brian Carder on 02/09/2006 11:02:47 Hi Penelope Sorry. On the death cert the address was 18 Beck rd reg district west ham. sub district stratford. witness by clara carder date 16 march 1891 regards brian ***********************************88 Please can you look on 1891 for - William Carder born 1841 Devon Clara Carder born 1843 West Ham Edith Carder 1867 Essex Alice 1869 Marylebone William 1871 Marylebone Frank 1873 Marylebone Amy Carder 1876 Bethnal Green Lilian 1880 Stepney In an 1881 they are living at 41 North Street Middlesex. Death cert on William *1841 states he died March 1891 at Stratford West Ham ************************** 1881 for my ref Name: Amy Carder Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Clara Gender: Female Where Born: Mile End Civil parish: Linchouse County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 41 North St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Stepney Sub registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Members: Name Age Alice Carder 12 Amy Carder 5 Clara Carder 38 Edith Carder 14 Frank Carder 8 Lilian Carder William Carder 40 William Carder 10 ****UPDATE sorry Brian - I keep going over this and i'm just not making any progress or finding any possibles for the children. Have you managed to locate them on the 1901 at all? Pen x

Kerri Young Have we not done this one before??? 1851 Name: John Betts Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Teston, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Baldock 18 Bertha Betts 10 Mo Elizabeth Betts 27 abt 1824 Barling, Kent, England John Betts 32 John Betts 2 William Betts 6 Mo all children born Teston Kent *************************** 1861 Name: Thon Betts Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Teston, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Betts 37 Berling, Kent, England abt 1824 wife Elizabeth Betts 4 abt 1857 daughter Teston, Kent, England Samuel Betts 8 Teston, Kent, England Thon Betts 42 Teston, Kent, England Thon Betts 12 Teston, Kent, England William Betts 10 Teston, Kent, England Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 497; Folio: 106; Page: 8; GSU roll: 542649. ************************* 1871 Name: Samuel Betts Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Teston, Kent, England Civil Parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Maidstone Sub-registration district: Yalding ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 57 Household Members: Name Age Albert Betts 6 Teston, Kent, England abt 1865 son Elizabeth Betts 47 John Betts 52 Samuel Betts 18 abt 1853 son Teston, Kent, England Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 937; Folio: 113; Page: 13; GSU roll: 838710. *************************** 1891 Name: John Betts Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Teston, Kent, England Civil parish: Teston Ecclesiastical parish: Teston Town: Nettlestead County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Maidstone Sub registration district: Loose ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Members: Name Age Albert Betts 25 abt 1866 Teston, Kent, England Son Arthur J Betts 9 abt 1882 Barming, Kent, England Grandson John Betts 72 abt 1819 Teston, Kent, England Head William Betts 40 abt 1851 Teston, Kent, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 685; Folio 8; Page 10; GSU roll: 6095795. **************************** Pen x

Many thanks Pen So another one disappeared from the face of the earth for now! Hope you're feeling better. David

Hi Pen Thankyou for all your work on my Betts family. Perhaps you were thinking of the 1851 find for John Betts.I keep a copy of my queries & answers/census to I can refer back to them. Kerri

Hi Pen, I would be most grateful if you could look up the following family in the 1851 census please. Edwin Auckland ? Caroline Auckland b ca 1821 Shoreditch London Edwin Charles Auckland b 1847 Shoreditch, London Robert Benjamin Auckland b 1849 Shoreditch, London Thank you Liz x

Hi Pen A couple of look-ups please. Don't think I'mm covering old ground, looking for Cecilia, Cecilla, Celia, Cecil (yes female but all these variations been found in records) Watch, likely to be Weymouth, Wyke Regis, Melcombe Regis 1841. She was born c1821, she married 1844, and have her for 1861 & 1881. Also looking for her sister in 1841, Elizabeth b 1818 and by this time was married to John Jackett. She was living Melcombe Regis in 1861. Many thanks David

Hi Pen no i have not tried the 1901 but i will do and thank you for all your help. regards brian

Liz What about this one.... 1851 Name: Robert Auckland Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Auckland 28 abt 1823 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Wife Charles Auckland 4 abt 1847 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Son Edward Auckland 27 abt 1824 Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England Head Robert Auckland 1 abt 1850 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Margaret Schofield 17 abt 1834 Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Servant Sarah Sowter 58 abt 1793 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Mother-in-law Robert Wells 50 abt 1801 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Cousin Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1538; Folio: 278; Page: 6; GSU roll: 174768. Address - 55 Great Cambridge Street Occupation - messenger (?)

Ive solved it M (David) Thank you yes, I feel much better today x 1841 Name: Cecilia Watch Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Dorset, England Civil parish: Melcombe Regis Hundred: Weymouth and Melcombe Regis County/Island: Dorset Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/295/17 Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Weymouth ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 51 Page: 6 (click to see others on page) Line number: 23 GSU Number: 241344 View Record Susan Veal abt 1828 Dorset, England Melcombe Regis Dorset View Record Cecilia Watch abt 1821 Dorset, England Melcombe Regis Dorset Occupation of Cecilia - Ind Address - West Street Now, your posting/message was not clear - just 1841 your after or ??? *************************** 1841 - possible ? did she have a son? View Record Elizabeth Jackett abt 1820 Dorset, England Weymouth Dorset View Record John Jackett abt 1839 Dorset, England Weymouth Dorset Name: Elizabeth Jackett Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Dorset, England Civil parish: Weymouth Hundred: Weymouth and Melcombe Regis County/Island: Dorset Country: England Source information: HO107/295/18 Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Weymouth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 22 Page: 39 (click to see others on page) Line number: 14 GSU Number: 241344 Pen x

Michelle Randle Sorry Michelle, can not spot anyone with those or similar details. Pen x

Hi Pen Many thanks for the lookup And hope you are feeling a lot better now. Regards Ann

Brian Carder Apossible marriage for one of the daughters, right area. Name: Amy Carder Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 253 (click to see others on page) Amy Carder 1900 Jan-Feb-Mar West Ham Essex, Greater London Edward Wood 1900 Jan-Feb-Mar West Ham Essex, Greater London ****************************************** 1901 census Name: Amy M Wood Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Edward Gender: Female Where born: Stepney, London, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Plaistow ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 178 Household Members: Name Age Amy M Wood 25 Stepney, London, England Edward Wood 26 West Ham, Essex, England abt 1875 head Edwd F Wood 8 months Leyton, Essex, England Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1570; Folio: 73; Page: 27.

hi pen thank you regards brian

Hi Pen Glad you're feeling better. Thanks. In response. Yes, Elizabeth Jackett nee Watch did have son John, next one came along in 1844. Didn't require more on this, was keen to try and find where she lived. I think I have the rest on her and family. Cecilia, nice to see they have her down as a male , again!! Makes you wonder. I'm guessing the occupation meant independant means, mmmm! Or indecipherable. I couldn't find her 1871, when I was in Dorset, looking around where I expected her to be (Weymouth itself), was she around elsewhere then? Also interested in 1891 for her, her name now is Kirby or Kerby, husband John b about 1820 Hastings, Sussex. Possibly found Wales!? Think you did, 1851 for me, and I'm trying to be orderly, just that mind gets taken over by other little clues. David

Hi Penelope, Thank-you so much for the info you found for me, sorry it was a large list, i promise not to bother you again for a while! Hannah x

Ive solved it mosely David Hi, you never mentioned if she was married by the 1871 census or not, but, this came up ...nothing for Watch. What do you think ?? Husband is down as James not John though.... 1871 Name: Cecilia Kirby Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Weymouth, Dorset, England Civil Parish: Weymouth Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Weymouth and Melcombe Regis County/Island: Dorset Country: England Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Weymouth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 257 Household Members: Name Age Cecilia Kirby 52 Weymouth, Dorset, England abt 1819 wife James Kirby 51 Hastings, Sussex, England abt 1820 head Richard Rolly 14 Weymouth, Dorset, England abt 1857 Servant Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2000; Folio: 45; Page: 43; GSU roll: 831751 Address - 1 Franchise Street (Tivoli Gardens Inn) Occupation of head of house - naval pensioner, beer house keeper **************************** In 1881 the husband is also down as James.... Name: Cecil Kirby Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: James Gender: Female Where Born: Weymouth, Dorset, England Civil parish: Weymouth County/Island: Dorset Country: England Street address: Weston Terrace Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Weymouth Sub registration district: Weymouth ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Household Members: Name Age Cecil Kirby 65 James Kirby 62 Pen x No sign of them on the 1891 also checked Wales - they would of been fairly old... Death entry on BMD ?? Name: James Kirby Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 67 District: Weymouth County: Dorset Volume: 5a Page: 255 (click to see others on page)

Hi Pen, Thank you so very much for the Auckland look up a bonus getting the mother in law and a cousin.... you are so good. Thanks again Liz :o}}}

Hi PPS, Thank you very much for your search. Spot on and you have enlightened me with a couple of things You were unable to spot Dillon Flaherty however the 1891 census shows Richard Flaherty, same age, same wife and all the children. This is the right guy and although a couple of the early children's baptism records show the father's name as Dillon, his birth name may of been Richard *********************************** 1891 Name: Richard Flaherty Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Margaret Gender: Male Where Born: Mayo, Ireland Civil parish: Haslingden Ecclesiastical parish: Haden St James Town: Haslingden County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Haslingden Sub registration district: Haslingden ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James I Flaherty 5 abt 1886 Haslingden, Lancashire, England Son John W Flaherty 1 abt 1890 Haslingden, Lancashire, England Son Margaret Flaherty 34 abt 1857 Mayo, Ireland Wife Margaret E Flaherty 3/12 abt 1891 Haslingden, Lancashire, England Daughter Mary Flaherty 7 abt 1884 Haslingden, Lancashire, England Daughter Michael Flaherty 3 abt 1888 Haslingden, Lancashire, England Son Patrick Flaherty 9 abt 1882 Mayo, Ireland Son Richard Flaherty 35 abt 1856 Mayo, Ireland Head Tim Flaherty 11 abt 1880 Mayo, Ireland Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3354; Folio 34; Page 11; GSU roll: 6098464. Address - 34 King Street Occupation of Head - gas stoker Where were your family on the 1881 census? *********************************** The family were not on the 1881 English census as they lived in Mayo, Ireland (First two children born in Mayo, ireland) and they moved to Haslingden, England sometime between 1882-1883 as the first English born child was my Great Grandmother, Mary Flaherty in Jan 1884 Unfortunately, all the Irish Census records have been destroyed apparantley so i will probably not get any luck finding them in 1881 but this 1891 Census gives me lots of info including their first child Tim (Or as I found out by a baptism record just 3 days ago, Thady Flaherty) Thank you so much for your help P.S My friend will order some certificates and we will get back to you regarding her search as soon as we have more info. Paul