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Donna ************************************************* Not sure ?? closest match found 1841 Scotland View Record Mary Ann Gowely abt 1826 Renfrewshire, Scotland Houston and Killellan Renfrewshire 565 View Record Isabella Scott abt 1796 Scotland Houston and Killellan Renfrewshire 565 View Record Margaret Scott abt 1837 Renfrewshire, Scotland Houston and Killellan Renfrewshire 565 View Record Robert Scott abt 1796 Ireland Houston and Killellan Renfrewshire 565 View Record Robert Scott abt 1831 Renfrewshire, Scotland Houston and Killellan Renfrewshire 565 Name: Robert Scott Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Houston and Killellan County: Renfrewshire Address: Bridge Of Weir Occupation: Ag Lab Parish Number: 565 ED: 4 Page: 1 (click to see others on page) Can not spot anything for Elizabeth though Pen x

Shady Ray 1871 Name: Phebe Berry Age: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Mellis, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Eye Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich Town: Eye County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Hartismere Sub-registration district: Eye ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 62 Household Members: Name Age Phebe Berry 77 abt 1794 Mellis, Suffolk, England Head Betsey Hines 15 abt 1856 Eye, Suffolk, England Grandson William Hines 22 abt 1849 Eye, Suffolk, England Grandson Have checked out the image... Address - Lowgate Street Occupation of head - no occuaption William is a carpenter Betsy is a scholar Pen x

Hi Pen My deepest apologies but I gave you the wrong surname - like yourself I've been up for far too long day!!!! It should be Phebe BERRY her maiden name was CHENERY. Sorry!!

Shady Ray Hi Shady The hot choccie was Lurvlyyyyy... **************************************** Shady - I'm confused - I thought we were looking for Chenery? Can you fill me in please Pen x 1871 ? at the mo ************************ 1861 Name: Phebe Berry Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Pulham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Eye Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Hartismere Sub-registration district: Eye ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 96 Household Members: Name Age Phebe Berry 68 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1150; Folio: 62; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542764. Have checked the image - Address - Lowgate Street Occupation - Washwoman Marital status - W ******************************************************* 1851 Name: Phoebe Berry Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: James Gender: Female Where born: Pulham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Eye County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Hartismere Sub-registration district: Mendlesham ED, institution, or vessel: 7b Household schedule number: 127 Household Members: Name Age James Berry 73 abt 1778 Redlingfield, Suffolk, England Head Phoebe Berry 60 abt 1791 Pulham, Norfolk, England Wife William Hines 3 abt 1848 Eye, Norfolk, England Grandson Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1795; Folio: 574; Page: 34; GSU roll: 207444. Have checked out the image - Address - Lowgate Street Occupation of head of house - Ag Lab ****************************************************** 1841 Name: James Barry [James Berry] Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Suffolk, England Civil parish: Eye Hundred: Hartismere County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Source information: HO107/1023/8 Registration district: Hartismere Sub-registration district: Eye ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 6 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Line number: 4 GSU Number: 474637 View Record James Barry abt 1781 Suffolk, England Eye Suffolk View Record Phebe Barry abt 1796 Suffolk, England Eye Suffolk Source Citation: Class: HO107; Civil Parish: Eye; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 4; Page: 5; Line: 4; GSU roll: 474637. Have checked the image... Address - Lowgate/Longate Street Occupation of James - Ag Lab ************************************************************************ 1841 - do not know what connection this one is...?.... Name: Pheaby Chenery Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Suffolk, England Civil parish: Wilby Hundred: Hoxne County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Source information: HO107/1026/10 Registration district: Hoxne Sub-registration district: Dennington ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 11 Page: 17 (click to see others on page) Line number: 8 GSU Number: 474639 View Record James Chenery abt 1828 Suffolk, England Wilby Suffolk View Record Pheaby Chenery abt 1796 Suffolk, England Wilby Suffolk View Record Robert Chenery abt 1796 Suffolk, England Wilby Suffolk View Record William Chenery abt 1833 Suffolk, England Wilby Suffolk Have checked the image... Address - none given Occupation of head of house - carpenter Have I gone wrong - I thought the busband was a William? Pen x CONTINUED ON NEXT MESSAGE

Penelpoe I have not searched for Gertrude at all.I will send for marriage cert and hope gives me something I'm still pretty new to this and really thankful of help .Thank you for your time. Karen

Karen Hi Karen, the possibles that I had lined up have led to other wives. I think the only way to make any progress is to purchase that marriage cert and gain his age and fathers details. Have you searched on this site to see if anyone has Gertrude or the children? Once again sorry for the missing you out. Pen x

Hello Penelope again Well I have followed the Beets from Bingham and realised its not the right John Beet . John Churchill Beet the one aged 2 in Bingham is on the 1901 census with his family in LongEaton. Thats how I knew I had made a mistake. Karen

Hi Pen, If you are having similar rain to us you will not be out there excavating chicken wire..... was it to stop rabbits burrowing out or foxes burrowing in? I am still working for the would be cousin, who isn't, but now I've started etc. There are some glaring errors in her tree so I have been trying to work backwards ignoring what has apparently been found but for the Brooms I will make an exception, in the hope it will allow you to find them in 1851. John Broom and Jemima Fisher (according to me - FreeBMD) get married in 1841 near Stowmarket and start with Angelina 1842 (who I assume dies as there is another in the 50s) then Harry 1844, Rebecca 1845, Anna 1848, William 1850, and on. Please can you see if all this info will enable you to find them in '51. Many thanks, David

Hi again Sorry I don't have any more info. Karen

Hi Pen, I'm back to some long distance brickwall demolition....she hopes..... I've a couple of families that will be in Renfrewshire in the 1841 census. The first is the Scott family who I'm hoping were consisting of the following:- Robert Scott, born circa 1800, believed to be a farmer (as per son's death cert). Robert Scott, born circa 1832 poss Bridge of Weir Renfrewshire (well that's what he states on later census and he married in Kilbarchan, just down the road). On his death cert his morhter's name is down as Lilian McTavish....if all 3 are together on the census that'd be great. The next is the Thorburn family (or Thornburn as per IGI extracted entry) probably in the parish of Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire. They should be William Thornburn born circa 1800 Ann Thorburn nee Thom(p)son born circa 1800 and Elizabeth born circa 1834 and she gives her place of birth as Houston, Renfrewshire on later census but she married in Kilbarchan. Any help on either of these would be great and after reading about your Hot Choc, I'm off to have a forage in my cupboards for some, sounds like a grand idea. Bye for now Donna x

Karen Yes - sorry about that. It's just been really crazy here lately, lol. Do we have any idea's about John's occupation from a childs birth cert? *************************************************************************** 1901 for ref - Gertrude Name: Gertrude Beet Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Granby, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Granby Ecclesiastical parish: Granby All Saints Town: Granby County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Bingham Sub-registration district: Bingham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Gertrude Beet 24 John V Beet 4 Thomas R Beet 2 ****************************************************** From the 1881 to follow up - assuming his also from Notts & -+ 5yrs of Gertrudes age.... ***Have followed them up and now deleted as they married other ladies.

Hi Again No worries just glad I did'nt miss it Thanks Karen

Hi Karen, I think I must off missed you, will go back and take a look. P x

Hi How was the hot choccie? Could I ask for a 1841,51,61,& 71 census check please. Looking for Phebe CHENERY born Norfolk abt 1795 William CHENERY (husband of above) On the 1881 census she is living in Eye, Suffolk with her grandaughter Anne HINES (1868 Eye), she died in 1882 in Eye. Thank you.

Hello Penelope Unless I've missed it I think you may have forgotten me, remember my missing John Beet from the 1901 census.You was going to take a look on an earlier one. Thank you Karen

Jeanette Hi again, I can not bring up those details that you have given me - tried England and Wales. Which index are you getting them froma nd could you just check the spelling and give it to me as is. Cheers Pen x p.s. back shortly, just off to indulge in a hot choccie lol. I know it's early but I have been up ages... Is this the William Cowles that you mentioned, abrr Wm? 1841 ENGLAND Name: Wm Cowles Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Puckle Church Hundred: Puckle Church County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/363/3 Registration district: Chipping Sodbury Sub-registration district: Chipping Sodbury ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 5 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Line number: 15 GSU Number: 288775 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Elizth Cowles abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Emily Cowles abt 1807 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Emily Juna Cowles abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Emma Cowles abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Wm Cowles abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Wm B Lettice Cowles abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire

Will take another look at that. What are your thoughts on the COLE family above ??? Px This is the COLE family in the 1851 - no Chares with them - Name: George Cole Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Standish, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Stonehouse County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stroud Sub-registration district: Stonehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 2c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Emma Cole 8 George Cole 45 George Cole 10 Samuel Cole 3 Sarah Cole 46 Thomas Cole 6 ****************************************************** The only Charles born c1830 standish, Glouc I can find is this chap - Name: Charles Cowles Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Standish Civil parish: Bulley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Westbury On Severn Sub-registration district: Newnham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Charles Cowles 22 Elizabeth Cowles 21 Churcham abt 1830 William Cowles 2 Churcham abt 1849

Hi Pen, Thanks for looking - he will just have to remain unsolved for the present. David

Jeanette Stockwell Hi 1841 - ??? Name: Charles Cowles Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Sandhurst Hundred: Dudstone and Kings Barton (Upper Division) County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Source information: HO107/356/12 Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: Kingsholme ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 6 Page: 6 (click to see others on page) Line number: 20 GSU Number: 288770 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Benjamin Barnes abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Charles Cowles abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Hanah Shaw abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Henry Shaw abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Henry Shaw abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Mary Shaw abt 1791 Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Sarah Shaw abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire Have checked out the image... Unable to read the address - ?something? HAYS Occupation of Benjamin Barnes - Ag Lab Occupation of Henry Shaw - Bricklayer *************************************************************************** BUT.... What about this one...could the name of been misheard?? Name: Charles Cole Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Standish Hundred: Whitstone (Lower Division) County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Source information: HO107/370/16 Registration district: Wheatenhurst Sub-registration district: Haresfield ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 19 Page: 15 (click to see others on page) Line number: 21 GSU Number: 288781 Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Charles Cole abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Eliza Cole abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record George Cole abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record George Cole abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Hannah Cole abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Harriet Cole abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Sarah Cole abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire Address - Arlebrook PB Occupation of head - Sawyer Pen x

Trish ***message 2*** 1851 Name: Julia Evans Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Wendover County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: West Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 3d Household schedule number: 53 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Bradley 16 abt 1835 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Fredrick Bradley 6 abt 1845 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son Irrabella Bradley 14 abt 1837 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Mary Bradley 40 abt 1811 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Head Sophia Bradley 18 abt 1833 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter **James Evans 7 abt 1844 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son **Julia Evans 4 abt 1847 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Granddaughter ***will check out the image .... Head is a widow and has a P in occupation ( a couple above have the head down as Pauper and the wife as a P) looks like it might mean Pauper Irrabella - Image reads Arrabella (althougth the A is slightly faded) The other children are also straw plaiters (apart from Julia) Occupation of Sophia - straw plaiter Address - Ton Houses Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1720; Folio: 365; Page: 14; GSU roll: 193628. *************************************************************************** This might be your missing Elizabeth ... 1851 Name: Elizabeth Evans Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Wendover Town: Wendover County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: West Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Household schedule number: 100 Household Members: Name Age Mary Billington 71 Elizabeth Evans 28 Have checked out image... Address - Aylesbury Street Occupation of Elizabeth - House Servant - unmarried Occupation of Mary Billington - Proprietor of house Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1720; Folio: 338; Page: 23; GSU roll: 193628. *************************************************************************** This looks like their marriage - Name: Elizabeth Evans Year of Registration: 1857 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 643 (click to see others on page) ***** Name: Henry Norwood Year of Registration: 1857 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 643 (click to see others on page) *************************************************************************** 1841 for Henry Norwood View Record Edwen Norwood abt 1833 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record Emma Norwood abt 1837 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record Henry Norwood abt 1821 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record Sarah Norwood abt 1796 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record William Norwood abt 1796 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire Source information: HO107/41/7 Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Aston Clinton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Line number: 12 GSU Number: 241211 *************************************************************************** 1841 Elizabeth Evans Name: Elizabeth Evans Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Wendover Hundred: Aylesbury County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Source information: HO107/43/7 Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Wendover ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 7 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Line number: 19 GSU Number: 241211 She is shown as FS (female servant) and is with this household - Ann Holland abt 1771 Buckinghamshire, England Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record John Holland abt 1816 Buckinghamshire, England Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Joseph Holland abt 1816 Buckinghamshire, England Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Richard Holland abt 1776 Wendover Buckinghamshire I don't know if you realise, but the 1881 census is available free at www.familysearch.org - which also has the IGI Pen x