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Anyone got any Mysteries I could help with?? Threa

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Gloria

Gloria Report 18 Apr 2006 12:43

Hi Zoe Someone told me that the Scottish/English border changed a lot, so if I have a family with some children born in Roxburghshire, Scotland and some baptised in Wooler, Northumberland, ENG around 1839-1850, do you know how (or where) I could find their birth information? They are the children of Robert and Margaret HOPE (MOIR):- Charles, Margaret, Isabella, Jane and Thomas. These are the ones I have listed on the 1851 Census in Coldstream, BER, Scotland. I have only been searching the IGI and Scotland's People on-line. I don't know what is available on-line for England. I am really hoping that you can give me some advice. Thanks, if you can! Regards Gloria J Moloney Caboolture, Australia

John

John Report 18 Apr 2006 13:37

Hi Zoe - sort this one out and I'll call you 'HOLMES'.... Mother - Bertha Elizabeth Walsh. Born 1895 (possibly, could be earlier, no official date of berth), place of birth, unknown, could be Lancashire/Yorkshire. May have spent early years in a 'home' in the Yorkshire area, possibly brought up by nuns. Father was called Edward, down as deceased on marriage certificate in 1920. (Her date of birth was alo down as 1895, but this could have been simply because her husband's dob was also 1895). No record of this woman being born anywhere with this dob.. She was in service, employed as a Nursery Maid with a 'Major Robert Bell TURTON, in Stokesley at 'Kildale Hall' (Rosebury Topping Cleveland Hicks) possibly between 1910 - 1917. (I did find a Bertha Walsh born 1892 with father called Edward in Charnock Richard, Lancashire. But not certain if this is the same person. no one in the family seemed to have had any info on her before 1920. If you can find anything at all on Bertha Elizabeth Walsh before 1920, I will be absolutely amazed ( and happy). Best wishes Zoe... John (alias Sir Arthur Connan Doyle) !!!!!!!

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 15:20

Lisa Have looke din March 1903 not Frederick William Foot getting married that month, all I can suggest is you go through the marriage index of Foot for the years 1901-1905 and see if you find a Frederick William Foot, if so then check in the Clements names for a marriage under that page and volume number. You can do this for free at Ancestry BMD BETA Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 15:46

Elizabeth Sites to use http://freebmd.rootsweb*com BMD's upto around 1910ish incomplete www.ancestrry*co*uk Census 1881 free BMD's www.familysearch.org Parish records BMD Replace * with . Have found this Right area right parents names but No William maybe William is down as John Head is a Ag Lab! Eliza Ketley abt 1818 Roxwell, Essex, England Wife Roxwell Essex Francis Ketley abt 1860 Roxwell, Essex, England Son Roxwell Essex George Ketley abt 1840 Caster, Essex, England Son Roxwell Essex James Ketley abt 1819 Great Easton, Essex, England Head Roxwell Essex John Ketley abt 1851 Caster, Essex, England Son Roxwell Essex Sarah A Ketley abt 1859 Roxwell, Essex, England Daughter Roxwell Essex Stephen Ketley abt 1854 Roxwell, Essex, England Son Roxwell Essex Don't know if you have this Marriages Mar 1840 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KETLEY James Chelmsford 12 55 Eliza ayley on same page The above marriage cert would confirm parents ages as I can find no others that match on census. Williams birth cert ref ~ this may help if address is same on 1851 census Births Dec 1852 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ketley William Chelmsford 4a 118 Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 16:03

Irene Do you have your great grandfathers marriage cert? Who does it name his father as and what is the occupation? Do you have Thomas in any other census as it's easier to track backwards through censuses than forward. Have you found this family in 1881/1891/1901 if so please post info Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 16:26

Brenda Have looked and looked they are either badly mostranscribed or did not want to be found. I would advise you to try and follow Robert back in the census in the hope of establishing a family connection Maybe even get his marriage cert to confirm his father. Sorry couldn't be more help Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 16:34

Chris Do you know where she was born or when Ralph was born & where (was Ralph born under his mothers maiden name or was Hayes her married name), Do you know who Ralphs father was? Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 16:36

Gloria Do you have the childrens birth years please and I will see what I can do Zoe

Gig

Gig Report 18 Apr 2006 17:52

Hi Zoe I have something that is intriguing me, if you can help in any way I will be eternally grateful. In my family tree their was a Trust Fund left to my maternal grandmohter named Ellen Blanche Cocks (birthname was actually Cock), b: 1896 Putney. She married a Thomas William Nichols around 1912 and was left this KELLY TRUST which we know came from her Mother's side of the family (Godsiff)in Ireland. George Robert Godsiff , Ellen's maternal Grandfather is the farthest I have been able to go back on that side. b:1828 in Rochester Kent. I think at that time they were probably one of the 1st Godsiff families recorded online in England at that time. As yet I have not found any Kelly connection apart from Robert Godsiff who was born 1841 in Ireland (must be some relation but not sure) and Mary Gogarty b: 1865 Co Meath who married a son of George's called Henry Godsiff, I think in 1898. I have no further details on that. Can you point me in the right direction to treace this. Any more information you need let me know. Regards Ingrid PS If you can't help with this I have another Godsiff lookup on 1881 census which George's family are not traceable. I'll give you details later

Clare

Clare Report 18 Apr 2006 18:01

hi zoe tryint find info about my great grandfather and his fatherthis is wat i know: his name is william morgan all i know about him is that he had 2 children : william alfred morgan born 20th march 1907 in ystrad mynuch caerphilly and harold morgan (my grandfather) born 14th june 1908 in bedwellty tredegar. he married elizabeth jane phillips on the 29th april 1913 in st margrets church mountain ash and they were living in 18 victor street mountain ash over the next few years the moved a few time within the mountain ash area, then in 1936 they were living in 59 woodland terrace mountain ash where his father also william morgan died at the age of 89,then in the late 30s earley 40s they opened a cafe or tea shop in penrhiwceiber, then on the 10th of december 1948 william died at the age of 71 at ty pontypridd if anyone can relate to this family i would love to hear from u as im stuck and cant go any further thank you clare if you could help in any way thanks

Kerry

Kerry Report 18 Apr 2006 18:23

hi zoe after another pair of eyes. im looking into 1891 census for charles edward williams b1867 and alice louisa williams b1871. i have the marriage in 1889 between charles and alice(millard) they have a son born 1890/1891(found in both but not yet confirmed date). in 1901 charles e williams b1867 bromley,kent, butcher(sausage manufature) and wife alice b1871 st pancras living with children in st pancras area. any help will be great kerry

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 18:38

John All I can suggest (don't know if it's poss) is to try to get electoral records for the address on the marriage cert and see if that unveils any info. As we do not have an esablished birth year or place I cannot find anything that is watertight Sorry Zoe

John

John Report 18 Apr 2006 18:47

Many thanks Zoe - problem is, the address on the marriage certificate was the same as her husbands... Take care.. John

BR

BR Report 18 Apr 2006 18:53

Zoe, Many thanks. I said it was a nightmare didn't I ? Just found a 10-year old Rebecca Phipps on the 1851, born Milford Lane and living in a school at 45 Stanhope St. Rather looks as though she may be a daughter of Robert & Rebecca and born before the sons William and George. By 1861 she was a housemaid to a doctor in Finsbury but not traced her further yet. Just for laughs, the enumerator was not only a poor speller - listed her as Fipps - but also needed glasses. Apart from the doctor's wife, everyone else was listed as a son!!! Roll on 28/29th April and the 1841 Once again, many thanks. Brenda

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 18:59

Helen So this is them in 1891 Head & Aunt are single Sister is Widowed Sarah Calver abt 1811 Thompson, Norfolk, England Aunt Rockland All Saints Norfolk Elizabeth Daross abt 1847 Rockland All Saints, Norfolk, England Sister Rockland All Saints Norfolk Anne Catchpole abt 1843 Rockland All Saints, Norfolk, England Head Rockland All Saints Norfolk Ernest Chas Catchpole Disdle abt 1884 Watton, Norfolk, England Nephew Rockland All Saints Norfolk Here is his birth Name: Ernest Charles Disdle Year of Registration: 1884 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Wayland County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 279 This maybe his parents do you have a Harriet Catchpole in your tree Name: John Disdle Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Wayland County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 431 Harriet Catchpole on same page Hope this helps Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 19:42

Ingrid Lets start at what we know 1901~71 College Street Head is a Mechanical Carpenter and Widower Arthur Cocks abt 1890 Putney, London, England Son Putney London Edward Cocks abt 1849 Putney, London, England Head Putney London Ellen B Cocks abt 1887 Putney, London, England Daughter Putney London Ernest Cocks abt 1882 Putney, London, England Son Putney London +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1891 71 College Street Head is a Carpenter Arthur Cock abt 1890 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Caroline M Cock abt 1877 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Putney London Edward Cock abt 1848 Putney, Surrey, England Head Putney London Edward Cock abt 1878 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Ellen B Cock abt 1887 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Putney London Ernest Cock abt 1882 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Rebecca Cock abt 1853 Poplar, London, England Wife Putney London Sidney S Cock abt 1880 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1881~College St Ewshott Cottage Head is a Carpenter Caroline Mary Cock abt 1877 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Putney London Edward Cock abt 1848 Putney, Surrey, England Head Putney London Edward George Cock abt 1878 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London Rebecca Cock abt 1853 Poplar, Middlesex, England Wife Putney London Thomas Sydney Cock abt 1880 Putney, Surrey, England Son Putney London ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1881 Is this your George? George GODSIFF Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1828> Birthplace Rochester, Kent, England Age 53 Occupation Mate Marital Status M <Married> Head of Household George GODSIFF Relation Other Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Vessel 'Inner Dowsing' Census Place Trusthorpe, Lincoln, England Family History Library Film 1341777 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3260 / 126 Page Number 20 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Presume this is the marriage cert ref Name: Rebecca Godsiff Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Wandsworth County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 1026 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 Was she a Servant? Rebecca S Godsif abt 1853 Poplar, Middlesex, England Servant St Georges Ward Norfolk Source information: RG10/1785 Registration district: Yarmouth Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Southern ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 6 Page: 5 Household schedule number: 16 GSU Number: 830831 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1871 Caroline Godsiff abt 1828 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife Nelson Norfolk Ellen Godsiff abt 1868 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Nelson Norfolk George Godsiff abt 1828 Rochester, Kent, England Head Nelson Norfolk George Godsiff abt 1855 Poplar, Middlesex, England Son Nelson Norfolk Henry Godsiff abt 1867 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Nelson Norfolk Sarah Godsiff abt 1861 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Nelson Norfolk William Godsiff abt 1863 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Nelson Norfolk +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1861 Caroline is a Mariner's (merchant service) Wife Caroline Godsiff abt 1828 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Wife Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Caroline Godsiff abt 1851 Repps, Middlesex, England Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk George Godsiff abt 1855 Repps, Middlesex, England Son Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Mary A Godsiff abt 1859 Yarmouth Repps Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Rebecca Godsiff abt 1853 Repps, Middlesex, England Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk Sarah A Godsiff abt 1860 Yarmouth Repps Daughter Great Yarmouth St Nicholas Norfolk ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now found this on the IGI ~ don't know if you have it GEORGE ROBERT GODSIFF Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 03 FEB 1828 Saint Nicholas, Rochester, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GEORGE GODSIFF Mother: MARY ANN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 19:45

Ingrid Possible sibling for George (b.1828) Helen Godsiff Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 20 OCT 1833 St Mary'S, Chatham, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: George Godsiff Mother: Mary Ann Godsiff +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now this is only a possibility for George Roberts parents marriage GEORGE GODSIFF Male Marriages: Spouse: MARY ANN NEWTON Marriage: 08 AUG 1825 Gorleston With Southtown, Suffolk, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you know Rebecca's mothers maiden name is it possible her name is Kelly or related And have you found Rebecca's birth ref? Now I do hope this has been some help There maybe some more entries on the IGI that maybe relevant www.familysearch.org Also it may help if you ask for a 1841 lookup as you never know his parents maybe around and with such a uncommon surname you should be ok if they are still alive Good hunting Zo

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 19:51

Ingrid This maybe of interest LOOK WHO THE MOTHER AND FATHER ARE AND LOOK WHERE THE SON WAS BORN 1871 Eliza Godsiff abt 1845 Chatham, Kent, England Wife Chatham Kent Eliza Godsiff abt 1864 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent Ellen Godsiff abt 1868 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent ***George Godsiff abt 1794 Faversham, Kent, England Father Chatham Kent Mary A Godsiff abt 1866 Chatham, Kent, England Daughter Chatham Kent ***Mary Ann Godsiff abt 1805 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Mother Chatham Kent Thomas Godsiff abt 1839 Rochester, Kent, England Head Chatham Kent Thomas Godsiff abt 1862 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent William Godsiff abt 1860 Chatham, Kent, England Son Chatham Kent From IGI Thomas Godsiff Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 25 NOV 1838 St Mary, Chatham, Kent, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: George Godsiff Mother: Mary Ann

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 20:06

Claire You would be best putting your situation on the Trying to find board there are many helpful people who maybe able to help I really help on families before 1910 as it is much easier to go backwards than forwards(for me that is) Good luck you could also try posting on the tips board and ask people for tips on what to do!! Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 18 Apr 2006 20:20

Anita How do you know he was born 1871? Do you have his birth cert as this would provide us with parents names and occupations and address. What is the birth ref you have for him which district. Where was Horace born? Or his marriage cert, as this would give fathers name. If not here is the ref Marriages Sep 1903 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Genner Samuel Thomas Dudley 6c 95 WOODALL Martha Ann Dudley 6c 95 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Possible son! Births Mar 1907 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENNER Samuel Thomas Dudley 6c 21 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I cannot attempt to find him without some other info I think you will need to order the marriage cert! Please do get back to me when you have more info as it should be easier to find something Zoe