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Zoe

Zoe Report 31 Mar 2006 19:42

see below....

Zoe

Zoe Report 31 Mar 2006 19:43

Since you all had lots of mysteries on my previous couple of boards I have opened a new one.. As before if you have anything that's a mystery and want a pair of new eyes on the subject here I am!! Now please give all relevant info to the people or persons you are looking for. Can look up in 1851/61/71/81/91/1901 censuses and all BMD's Can only help with England & Wales have no access to IRIS or SCOTTISH records(sorry!). If you have lost someone in a census please post previous census details or any info you have on them.. Let the mysteries begin......

Karen

Karen Report 31 Mar 2006 19:56

Hi i have had some help from loopy lesley and Keilley in finding Edward Edwards born 1828 in whitechurch (Llanfairnantgwyn) in 1851, on the 1851 census it states anothe boy born 1847 which we new nothing abt calle Das or Dai (its a bit of a squiggle so cant make it out propperly) i cnat find a birth or death for this child at a;;, could you have a look for me plz thanks

Zoe

Zoe Report 1 Apr 2006 01:25

Karen Is this who you refer to? 1851 Anne Edwards abt 1829 Llanfair, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife Llanfair Nant Gwyn Pembrokeshire D? Edwards abt 1847 Llanfair, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Llanfair Nant Gwyn Pembrokeshire Edward Edwards abt 1828 Whitechurch, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Llanfair Nant Gwyn Pembrokeshire John Edwards abt 1849 Llanfair, Pembrokeshire, Wales Son Llanfair Nant Gwyn Pembrokeshire Sarah Edwards abt 1839 Eglwyswrw, Pembrokeshire, Wales Servant Llanfair Nant Gwyn Pembrokeshire It is written capital D and when when the are writing a shortened version of the name they write the letters above the line where they should be. Don't know what it could be though have checked birth records for that area and time cannot seem to find anything. Does look like Dai but as I said cannot see records for him Sorry Zoe

Linda

Linda Report 1 Apr 2006 01:51

Hi Thanks for this one I 'm cusrious as to the wereabouts of my Great Great Grandfather and his daughter on the 1891 Census as they werentlisted with the rest of their family (wife and kids) His details are Ralph Marshall born 1853 Gateshead, Durham. Her details Mary E Marshall born 1879 Hill Top, Durham Would appriciate your help if you get a chance Thanks Linda

Zoe

Zoe Report 1 Apr 2006 11:28

Linda 1881 Margaret Gordan abt 1811 Hill Top, Durham, England Collierley Durham Mary Marshall abt 1857 Ireland Wife Collierley Durham Mary E. Marshall abt 1879 Hill Top, Durham, England Daughter Collierley Durham Ralph Marshall abt 1853 Gateshead, Durham, England Head Collierley Durham Thomas Marshall abt 1877 Hill Top, Durham, England Son Collierley Durham John Morgan abt 1871 Hill Top, Durham, England Son Collierley Durham Right having a prob finding him in 1891 can you please post his families details from 1891 and do you have him in 1901? Ralph's birth cert if needed Name: Ralph Marshall Year of Registration: 1852 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Gateshead County: Co. Durham, Tyne And Wear Volume: 10a Page: 390 Thanks Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 1 Apr 2006 13:27

Jean So this is him in 1881 Susanna BREEZE W Female 62 Ramsgate, Kent, England Dressmaker Jessie BREEZE U Female 26 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Dressmaker Alice BREEZE U Female 23 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Staymaker George BREEZE Male 3 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Elizabeth ABLETT U Female 45 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Milliner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 5 New Vauxhall Terrace Census Place Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Family History Library Film 1341461 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1912 / 13 Page Number 20 2 Possibilities for his birth ~ do you know if he had a middle name Births Jun 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Breeze George Wayland 4b 250 Wayland Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Attleborough; Watton. GRO volumes : XIII (1837-51); 4b (1852-1930). Attleborough, Banham (from 1902), Besthorpe, Breckles, Carbrooke, Caston, Eccles (from 1902), Great Ellingham, Griston, Hargham, Hockham, Illington, Kenninghall (from 1902), Larling, Little Ellingham, Merton, New Buckenham (from 1902), Old Buckenham (from 1902), Ovington, Quidenham (from 1902), Rockland All Saints, Rockland St. Andrew, Rockland St. Peter, Roudham, Scoulton, Shropham, Snetterton, Stow Bedon, Thompson, Tottington, Watton, Wilby (from 1902). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Breeze George Andrew Yarmouth 4b 26 Yarmouth Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Gorleston; Yarmouth Northern; Yarmouth Southern. GRO volumes : XIII (1837-51); 4b (1852-1930). Gorleston (from 1891), Great Yarmouth. The Yarmouth one looks promising as the Wayland one died in 1878. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now following this famly back two census to 1861 Alice Breeze abt 1856 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Daughter Lowestoft Suffolk Arther G Breeze abt 1860 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Son Lowestoft Suffolk Charles N Breeze abt 1854 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Son Lowestoft Suffolk Frederick A Breeze abt 1821 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Head Lowestoft Suffolk Frederick A Breeze abt 1840 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Son Lowestoft Suffolk Jessie Breeze abt 1852 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Daughter Lowestoft Suffolk Jospeh Albert Breeze abt 1847 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Son Lowestoft Suffolk Susanah Breeze abt 1820 Ramsgate, Kent, England Wife Lowestoft Suffolk William Breeze abt 1849 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Son Lowestoft Suffolk A few sons to choose from who maybe his father or one of the girls may have been unmarried.. Do you know if George got married or had any children? As cannot seem to see him in 1891 or 1901?

Angela

Angela Report 1 Apr 2006 15:51

Hi Zoe thanks very much for the kind offer. Any help would be appreciated. My problem is looking for Thomas Holt from Rochdale ( there are loads). need to send off for his birth certificate to progress at all. I am going round in circles. the earliest census i have for my Thomas is 1871 THOMAS HOLT C1848 ROCHDALE VISITOR HASWELL, DURHAM. He married Emma Hollyoak in tudhoe 1874. his age was given as 24 years. father was listed as Thomas Holt. thomas died june 1900 aged 52 years. could you please look in the 1851 census and list all Thomas Holts born Rochdale in the years 1847 -1850 with father also called Thomas. will then try and eliminate each one unless you can think of any other way. regards Angela

Karen

Karen Report 1 Apr 2006 20:04

many thanks for looking for me, Karen

Linda

Linda Report 1 Apr 2006 22:54

Hi Thanks for the info, yes I have him in 1901 they were living in Scotland then so they are on the 1901 Scottish census. On the 1891 census the rest of his family apart from Ralph and daughter Mary E Marshall were living in a caravan in Durham as follows John Morgan Head 20 Born Durham Mary Marshall Sister 33 Born Durham Thomas Marshall Nephew 13 Born Durham Ralph Marshall Nephew 4 Born Durham Mary Morgan Widow 47 Born Staffs. Wonder where Ralph senior and daughter Mary E went from between the 1881 and 1891 Census. The plot thickens!! As Im new to all this Im not too sure what other details you might need? Thanks again Linda

Alan

Alan Report 1 Apr 2006 23:31

Hi Zoe, Can you try this one? Ivan Jennings. b.1865 Ipswich to Alfred and Emma. I have him in 1871, but after that? Have been told he married Emmaretta Theobald b1872 Swilland Suffolk Thanks Alan

Margaret

Margaret Report 2 Apr 2006 02:05

Hi Zoe - do you want to try this one? I have a Rebecca Smith who, according to her passports, was born in either 1889/1890 in Wigan. We know that she was found on the doorstep of a tavern and the name of the family that took her in was Cordingley. She has been found on the 1901 census, though her surname seems to be written 'Uses' (transcribed as Esses) Her age was written as KN with 5 circled in the occupation column. 1901 18 Crag Road,Shipley Holmes Cordingley Head 36 Inn Keeper b Baildon Merina Cordingley Wife 35 b Leeds Percy Cordingley Son 13 Milk boy Hawker b Windhill Sarah J Cordingley Daur 2 b Windhill Rebecca Esses Adopted Daur 5 b Wigan This is the same family for 1891 12 Holt Terrace ,Idle ,Shipley,Yorks Holes Cordingley Head 26 Tailor b Baildon,Yorks Merina Cordingley Wife 25 b Windhill,Yorks Percy Cordingley Son 3 b Windhill No sign of Rebecca, though I don't think she was only 5 in 1901. She was married in 1908, giving her age as 18 (same as her husband). I'd like to find her for 1891, but I am also trying to find her birth - I do think that she may not have been registered in the regular fashion - so I am unsure where to look. I've heard mention of an 'Abandoned Baby' register and wonder if she might be there - unsure what name to check under though. Margaret

Stuart

Stuart Report 2 Apr 2006 03:00

Thanks Zoe. Found relatives: John Lewis abt 1865 Melverley, Shropshire, England Son Llandrinio Montgomeryshire Joseph Lewis abt 1862 Worthen, Shropshire, England Son Llandrinio Montgomeryshire Mary Lewis abt 1841 Cardiston, Shropshire, England Wife Llandrinio Montgomeryshire Mary E Lewis abt 1868 Llandrinio, Montgomeryshire, Wales Daughter Llandrinio Montgomeryshire Richard Lewis abt 1847 Knockin, Shropshire, England Head Llandrinio Montgomeryshire Can't find Richard Lewis in the 1851 data! This data say birthplace is in Knockin, but others say Kinnerley, Shropshire. Any chance you can follow the trail? Would like to find his father and mother... also don't know Mary's maiden name... how could I find that, I've tried the marriage stuff but so complicated! Thanks Stu

Ann

Ann Report 2 Apr 2006 05:44

Hi Zoe! Don't know which mystery to start with!! But lets give the Killingbecks a try................ have scoured the 1881 for them but to no avail. They are Robert (b1843 Filey) Ann (nee Tate b.1846 South Witham, Lincs)- wife Ada A. (b. Kensington 1870)-daughter Sarah Elizabeth (b.1871, Kensington)-daughter Robert Tate (b.1873, Kensington)-son Thomas H. (b.1877 Kensington) -son Emily Tate (b1879/80 Scarborough-Filey)-daughter In the '71 Robert is a coachman at York House Stables, in Vicarage Place, near Kensington gardens. (St Mary Abbotts, town Ward, Kensington,Chelsea) His family are a few streets away at Dukes Lane, where Ann is living with their daughter Ada, her mother Mary Tate & Ann's nephew Thomas Tate. she is given as 'wife of coachman' Robert died in 1881 (Reg Sept qu in Kensington) so I'm wondering if when the census was taken he might have been ill or something & the family had to move or something maybe? By the '91 Ann had remarried John Hartas Lawson & was living back in Filey where Roberts family originate, with her sons Robert & Thomas. In '91 Emily is living with her married sister Sarah (now Sutherland) in Kingston-upon-Hull. (mis-transcribed as Emily Kate) Just don't know what happened to them all on the '81! Have tried everyone's suggestions of looking for possible mis-spellings & Maureen found someone on another year for me like that - transcribed Willingham!!?!! Also searching by POB, DOB & part of name etc. How am I ever going to find them all?!! Would appreciate a fresh pair of eyes.

Zoe

Zoe Report 2 Apr 2006 10:39

Brian Think I found Found him in 1891 9 Burke Street Croxton Fletcher abt 1867 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brother West Derby Lancashire Mary A Fletcher abt 1873 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Niece West Derby Lancashire Catherine Moffitt abt 1880 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire Michael Moffitt abt 1883 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Sarah A Moffitt abt 1847 Rock Ferry, Cheshire, England Head West Derby Lancashire Thomas Moffitt abt 1874 Everton, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire William Moffitt abt 1885 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now if you are just wanting parents details best to get birth certs as these will give you mothers maiden name and mother & fathers occupations and the address they were born may make it easier finding them in the censuses..As I said GRO certs are the best thing to get it can help out greatly when looking for ancestors Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 2 Apr 2006 11:03

Angela Think this is him in 1881 He is a Coal Miner Front Street Emma Holt abt 1855 Cradley, Worcestershire, England Wife Tudhoe Durham James N. Holt abt 1879 Tudhoe, Durham, England Son Tudhoe Durham Thomas Holt abt 1848 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Head Tudhoe Durham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1891 Emma Holt abt 1855 Cradley, Warwickshire, England Wife Tudhoe Durham James W Holt abt 1879 Tudhoe, Durham, England Son Tudhoe Durham John Holt abt 1886 Tudhoe, Durham, England Son Tudhoe Durham Joseph T Holt abt 1888 Tudhoe, Durham, England Son Tudhoe Durham Lily Holt abt 1881 Tudhoe, Durham, England Daughter Tudhoe Durham Mary E Holt abt 1883 Shotton, Durham, England Daughter Tudhoe Durham Thomas Holt abt 1849 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Head Tudhoe Durham Now what was his father's occupation on marriage cert? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now found this one in 1851 father called Thomas also Head is a Labourer and a Widow Emma Holt abt 1840 Butterworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Wardleworth Lancashire John Holt abt 1838 Butterworth, Lancashire, England Son Wardleworth Lancashire Mary Holt abt 1843 Butterworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Wardleworth Lancashire Thomas Holt abt 1813 Butterworth, Lancashire, England Head Wardleworth Lancashire Thomas Holt abt 1848 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Son Wardleworth Lancashire ==OR== 1851 Head is a Woolen weaver by hand Anne Holt abt 1818 Wardle, Lancashire, England Wife Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire James Holt abt 1847 Wardle, Lancashire, England Son Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire Mary Holt abt 1844 Wardle, Lancashire, England Daughter Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire Robert Holt abt 1841 Wardle, Lancashire, England Son Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire Thomas Holt abt 1811 Calderbrook, Lancashire, England Head Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire Thomas Holt abt 1850 Wardle, Lancashire, England Son Wuerdle and Wardle Lancashire Now Wardle is also in the Rochdale district.. These are the only 2 born Rochdale 1849 +/- 1 in 1851 census with a father also called Thomas. Birth cert wise it looks like he was probably born at the beginning of the year 1848 if 52 in June 1900(had his birthday) I am more leaning towards the 1st 1851 census as he would have been born at the beginning of 1848 as he is 3 in 1851. I think there are only 2 births when you narrow it down to the first 2 quarters of the year 1848 Hope this helps Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 2 Apr 2006 11:13

Linda Couple of things? You said this is them in the 1891 census John Morgan Head 20 Born Durham Mary Marshall Sister 33 Born Durham *makes her born 1858*how come she is now much older than John the eldest Ohh the censuses annoy me sometimes Thomas Marshall Nephew 13 Born Durham *He was in the census as Son of Mary and Ralph** Ralph Marshall Nephew 4 Born Durham Mary Morgan Widow 47 Born Staffs. **Would make her born 1844 and on 1881 she gave birthplace as Ireland** Now you said you have them in 1901 is Ralph with them as it says she is a Widow on 1891 census! Zoe

Emma

Emma Report 2 Apr 2006 11:19

Hello again, I having problems finding my grandad Joseph Boadley (1885) 1st wife May / Mary Lily Twells. I don't know where she was born or when we think it may be around 1890, we also know that they had a child Victor in 1911, there are at lest 2 other children Lillian/Lily, Fred and possible a Dora (not quite sure if she was my grandma's first born). May Twells died in Nottingham before 1929 because thats when m grandad married Gertrude Hackett. Many thanks Emma

Zoe

Zoe Report 2 Apr 2006 11:30

Alan 1881 ~1 Katherine Cottage Nottidge Rd Head is a General Smith as is Ivan Alfred Jennings abt 1841 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Drusella Jennings abt 1870 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Emma Jennings abt 1835 Bramford, Suffolk, England Wife Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Ivan Jennings abt 1865 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Son Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Salam E. Jennings abt 1868 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Vasilesa Jennings abt 1867 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter Ipswich St Helen Suffolk Source information: RG12/1877 Registration district: Ipswich Sub registration district: St Margaret ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 104 Page: 16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok found his parents in 1891 Alfred Jennings abt 1835 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head St Helen Suffolk Drusilla Jennings abt 1870 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter St Helen Suffolk Emma Jennings abt 1835 Bramford, Suffolk, England Wife St Helen Suffolk Source information: RG12/1473 Registration district: Ipswich Sub registration district: Ipswich Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Folio: 95 Page: 18 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Also found his other 2 siblings working as servants in Suffolk* Do you know when he got married? 1901~ I do think the head is Ivan but maybe misspelt as Iavin Head is a Carriage & waggon smith 53 Milton Street Emma N C Jennings abt 1899 Woodgate, Leicestershire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire Emmaretta Jennings abt 1872 Swilland, Suffolk, England Wife South Manchester Lancashire Emmaretta V Jennings abt 1896 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire Iavin Jennings abt 1865 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head South Manchester Lancashire Reginald J Jennings abt 1894 Earl Stonham, Suffolk, England Son South Manchester Lancashire Victoria A Jennings abt 1898 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England Daughter South Manchester Lancashire They seem to have had children away from Suffolk also I do hope this is of some help Zoe

Zoe

Zoe Report 2 Apr 2006 11:35

Margaret Do you have her marriage cert? If so does it have a fathers name on it? Strange it fits that the family you named have a tavern and a adopted daughter of the same first name what was her name when she married was it Smith? Because you know trying to find her will be V V hard! Not sure about an abandoned baby book but if you ask on main board they should be able to guide you where to look.. Zoe