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~Looby Loo~

~Looby Loo~ Report 6 Oct 2005 14:17

Hi Tracy, thanks for the offer. I'd appreciate some help on this. Could you help me trace my William Oswald Jones's father. William Oswald Jones b 1899 Chester Hoylake. found him on 1891 census with father William Jones RG13/3386. I've got William Snr's marriage certificate to Jane formerly Parr dated 1899, the father's details are struck out on both name and profession of father -- indicating illigitimate. I've tried census search further back 1881, but can only find a John Jones shoemaker RG11/2672 with potential daughter and 3 illigitimate sons. Could you look at the census & see if you think this is possibly the family. Do you know where I can obtain 'bastardly reports? I've heard about them but don't know where to look. Many thanks for any help you can offer me on this one. Regards Lou

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 14:22

Lesley, can you give me Johns details in 1871 please.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 14:24

Lou, it is possible that the children with John are illegitimate. I will have to investigate further though. Bear with me :)

~Looby Loo~

~Looby Loo~ Report 6 Oct 2005 14:29

Hi Tracy, I suppose they could be, although I know William Oswald wasn't happy for his mother (Jane formerly Parr) to know he had married a women who had illigitimate children. Lou

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 14:32

Lou, are Janes father's details crossed out too? Gee, there are a LOT of daughters!

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 14:44

Lou, I found the boys in 1891 Jones, William abt 1876 Nomans Heath, Cheshire, England Servant Hough Hill Cheshire Jones, Thomas abt 1874 Malpas, Cheshire, England Servant Newton by Malpas Cheshire Jones, John abt 1881 No Mane(Nomans) Heath, Cheshire, England Nursling Cuddington Cheshire Thomas is with Johns daughter, Rebecca. John is with a Powell family. This is them through the censuses.... 1861 John Jones abt 1824 Hampton, Cheshire, England Head Hampton Shropshire Jane Jones abt 1826 Egerton, Cheshire, England Wife Hampton Shropshire Mary Jones abt 1851 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Rebecca Jones abt 1852 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Sarah Jones abt 1854 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Catherine Jones abt 1856 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire Elizabeth Jones abt 1859 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Shropshire 1871 John Jones abt 1825 Hampton, Cheshire, England Head Hampton Cheshire Sarah Jones abt 1854 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Cheshire Catharine Jones abt 1857 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Cheshire Elizabeth Jones abt 1859 Hampton, Cheshire, England Daughter Hampton Cheshire William Jones abt 1862 Hampton, Cheshire, England Son Hampton Cheshire John Jones abt 1865 Hampton, Cheshire, England Son Hampton Cheshire Samuel Jones abt 1868 Hampton, Cheshire, England Son Hampton Cheshire Harriett Jones abt 1870 Hampton, Cheshire, England Granddaughter Hampton Cheshire 1881 John Jones abt 1824 Malpas, Cheshire, England Head Rebecca Jones abt 1852 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter John Jones abt 1864 Malpas, Cheshire, England Son Samuel Jones abt 1868 Malpas, Cheshire, England Son Thomas Jones abt 1874 Malpas, Cheshire, England Grandson William Jones abt 1876 Malpas, Cheshire, England Grandson John Jones abt 1881 Malpas, Cheshire, England Grandson Nomansheath, Hampton & Bickley, Cheshire, England This leads me to think that all 3 boys belong to Rebecca.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 14:58

Lou, there are 5 William Jones' registered in Whitchurch 1874-1878. I have discounted all those I found matching deaths for, which leaves 2. There is one death for 2 births.... Birth Jun 1875 Jones William Whitchurch S.6a 783 Birth Mar 1876 Jones William Whitchurch S.6a 803 One of them died Mar 1876, but it is impossible to tell which without the certs. I also had a look on CheshireBMD, and there is only one in Malpas and that is the 1875 one :) You could contact them to see if they will confirm the right one before you buy.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 15:40

Mary, there is this Rose in 1901.... Sarah Probert abt 1846 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Head Weobley Herefordshire Rose Probert abt 1885 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Daughter Weobley Herefordshire George Nott abt 1889 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Nephew Weobley Herefordshire and in 1891 Probert, John abt 1841 Bearwood, Herefordshire, England Head Weobley Herefordshire Probert, Sarah abt 1842 Kings Pyon, Herefordshire, England Wife Weobley Herefordshire Probert, Gertrude abt 1881 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Daughter Weobley Herefordshire Probert, Rose abt 1885 Weobley, Herefordshire, England Daughter Weobley Herefordshire Are you sure she's yours though. Do you have the marriage cert yet? There are 2 other Rose Proberts - one born c1893 and the other c1899. Either of them could be yours. The information on the IGI is definitely incorrect. Never take anything that is 'submitted' as fact. If it says 'extracted', it is more likely to be true. The Rose from the IGI is this one... William T Probert abt 1889 Preston, Herefordshire, England Son Ballingham Herefordshire Alice M Probert abt 1855 Weatley, Herefordshire, England Wife Ballingham Herefordshire >> Rose B Probert abt 1893 Preston, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ballingham Herefordshire Maud T Probert abt 1897 Ballingham, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ballingham Herefordshire William Probert abt 1851 Wellington, Herefordshire, England Grand Head Ballingham Herefordshire

Nicola

Nicola Report 6 Oct 2005 15:46

HI some advice would be great my gt grandfather left my gt grandmother in 1916, and went to Farringdon he left with young girl name not known, he was then 1917/18 sentenced to 15 mths hard labour for concealment of a baby's body the mother was someone he lodged with ,don't if she was the same woman he ranaway with or a different one , her name was Florence Lewis and her husband had been killed at the front. we are not sure whether Joseph was the child 's father or Mr Lewis. Joseph then left Florence we think and had another child called Patience, we dont know whether joseph married her mother or what mothers name was, he then left her and married another woman and had another daughter.!!!!!! what we would like to find out is whether he divorced granny have not found any info to support that, who was the father of the first child , the name of the mother of the second child and what happened to her and anything else we can. Joseph died in 1962 we have information about that. we need any advice on what to do now thanks Nicky Salisbury

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 15:52

Nicky, I don't have any information about divorces. Did they actually marry? If you know where he went, I would check county record offices to see if they hold information about divorces. It may be that he never divorced, and the marriage was simply 'dissolved' because he didn't return. I don't really think I can help in this situation. I'm more suited to pre-1901 mysteries. Sorry. Perhaps you could ask on the Tips board and someone with better knowledge of this could help you.

~Looby Loo~

~Looby Loo~ Report 6 Oct 2005 16:08

Hi Tracy, What can I say!!! Except a HUGE thank you. You've solved my mystery. All the information you have supplied me is fantastic, thanks for that. I shall certainly look up the birth cert. Thanks again Tracy your a star. Good luck in your own hunting. Regards Lou

Colette

Colette Report 6 Oct 2005 17:53

Hi Tracey its pain in the arse again Colette, i have had my Uncle here all afternoon, he was born in 1925 Henry Haizelden my Grans brother he recons that there was a Will belonging to a Mrs Dickinson back in the 30's or 40's looking for all Haizeldens to give them money, he says his dad recieved 40 pounds but should have got alot more as she gave money to all his children too and lots of other Haizeldens. I believe she had 40 thousand pounds, i am trying to find her connection so wondering if you could look and see if theres a marriage Dickinson - Haizelden anywhere .. He recons his dad and his dads brother were the two fisrt in line but i have all my Haizelden fam history and cannot work out who she was up the wall again haaaaaaaaaa. Cheers Colette

Nicola

Nicola Report 6 Oct 2005 20:24

Tracy, Well that's confused things, yet its too much of a co-incidence there couldn't be 2 different Laura Pauline's born in Bristol in 1874. I'll send off for the birth cert. Where was Bertha Price in 1871 and who was she with? I'm hoping it might be 1 Pottery Cottages Weston, which is where she was in 1881 and where her parents and rest of the family, but not Bertha, were in 1861. Thanks for all you've found so far. Nicky x

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 22:28

Mary, using the reference I gave you, you can order from the GRO. See http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ for details.

Cazziemc

Cazziemc Report 6 Oct 2005 22:39

Hi Tracey Hope you can solve my mystery! 1861 Census: RG 9 2897 Hulme Manchester St Georges Booth abt 1846 Salford, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Hulme Lancashire Anna Ellen Booth abt 1853 Salford, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Hulme Lancashire John Booth abt 1855 Salford, Lancashire, England Stepson Hulme Lancashire William Booth abt 1851 Salford, Lancashire, England Stepson Hulme Lancashire Ann Hynus abt 1828 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife Hulme Lancashire James Hynus abt 1829 Ireland Head Hulme Lancashire ----------------------------------------------------------------------- James Hynus is actually JAMES HYMES My mystery is this: WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE FEMALE CHILD BORN 1846? I have a copy of the original transcription and there is definitely NO first name!! She must exist, as she has an age and an occupation. At first, I just thought there was a 'ditto' mark missing and she was named Ann after her mother (who was actually Hannah on different census) but then I saw that the other daughter is called Hannah! The father of the children is William Booth. Hannah Booth married James Hymes in 1861 (I have their wedding certificate). William and Hannah were married in 1849, and I notice that this nameless daughter was born in 1846 (oh dear!). On the 1851 census, there is only 1 child, William, born 1851, living with William senior and Hannah. By the 1871 census, this mystery child is no longer living with them and I presume she has married. How can I find out what her name was?? Theres a mystery for you!! Best wishes Carol.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 23:00

Colette, I was hoping we'd be rich, but after 56 pages of Dikinsons, I couldn't find one marrying a Haizelden, or any other variation of the name. They might've married after 1920.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 23:03

Nicky, she was with a Clift family at Clevdon? Lodge. Head is a Ship Broker. Bertha is a Nursemaid.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 6 Oct 2005 23:07

Carol, she is likely to be with Ann/Hannahs parents in 1851. Are you able to check for them? I don't have access (yet) to that one. She might not even be a Booth, given that her parents weren't married when she was born. What a nightmare this one's going to be :( A thought - there is an Ann Moss born in 1845. Might be her. There are also quite a lot of Booths born in those two years, so I wouldn't want to guess which one she might be. The other daughter is called Anna Ellen - in my experience those would be quite different names. I have Elizabeths and Elizas, Marys and Marias, all together in the same family.

Cazziemc

Cazziemc Report 6 Oct 2005 23:13

Thanks Tracey. She isn't with Williams parents, James and Ann Booth, as I have them on the 1851 census. Haven't yet looked for her parents, John (coppersmith) and Ellen Moss, like you, I am eagerly awaiting the 1851 census to appear on Ancestry. Thanks looking anyway! Best wishes Carol.

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy

☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy Report 7 Oct 2005 10:37

Helen, I think this is her... Birth Dec 1913 York Annie A mother - Clark Poplar 1c 934