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Thanks Steve. I think the second marriage records look the best bet as one of the children were born in Hollingbourne. Also the info you gave me before (of course i dont expect you tp remember it) but it didnt give Arthur or Phillip in the family but then it started with the children from 1879 whereas Arthur is born 1877 and Phillip i think it says 1872. It also doesnt show Aubrey like it did in the previous one. Obviously im going to look into it more just thought it was a bit strange thats all. Thanks so much for looking all that up for me its great gives me a whole load more things to look into. :-)

Claire There are two potential marriages in 1870 and 1876. Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1870 AMBROSE William Sudbury 4a 651 DEBENHAM Susan Sudbury 4a 651 Rudduck Emma Elizabeth Sudbury 4a 651 Sillitoe William Sudbury 4a 651 ------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1876 Ambrose William Hollingbourn 2a 794 BALDOCK Susan Elizabeth C Hollingbourn 2a 794 ------------------------------------------------ This must be the family in 1881, after the marriage; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Arthur V. Ambrose abt 1877 Harrietsham, Kent, England Son Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Frank Ambrose abt 1880 Leeds, Kent, England Son Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Lillian F. Ambrose abt 1879 Leeds, Kent, England Daughter Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Philip F. Ambrose abt 1872 Harrietsham, Kent, England Son Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Susan E. Ambrose abt 1849 Elham Canterbury, Kent, England Wife Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England William Ambrose abt 1840 Harrietsham, Kent, England Head Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Barbara A. Clayson abt 1831 Elham, Kent, England Mother in Law Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Barbara Clayson is named as William's mother-in-law, so if either of the marriages above are correct, then Barbara must have remarried after Susan was born as a Baldock. I've looked for Susan in the 1861 and 1871 censuses, but I can't see her. Cheers Steve

Thanks for looking Steve. Kathy

Hi It sounds like you are doing a fantastic job and i was hoping you might be able to help me out also. I know my ggg/grandfather John W Penny was born in greenwich, 26th July 1861. Died 17th December 1945 84 Harrington Street, Cleethorpe. I am just trying to find some more detail further back than him. I wondered if the census might have the name of his parents? brothers and sisters or any other relatives? I know he married Olive Penny ( unsure of maiden name). 13th Sept 1890. I dont know if you can find any information on Olive? maiden name in marriage certs or summin :| So i'll give you her details in case. Born 11th August 1870, died 7th Nov 1949 same place as John. They also had 4 children that i'm aware of Sidney, Lilly, Walter and Florence. I do have a few more details if it might help altho i wasnt sure how much you needed. I've given you all of it on Olive and John though. Any help at all is much appreciated, Many Thanks in advance Helen Bull

Colin Do you know how old John and William would be? This is the nearest John I can find, Mannington, rather than Manningtree; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Annie Palmer abt 1869 Great Bentley, Essex, England Wife Lawford Essex Eva Palmer abt 1890 Lawford, Essex, England Daughter Lawford Essex James Palmer abt 1868 Soham, Cambridgeshire, England Head Lawford Essex John Viall abt 1878 Mannington, Essex, England Boarder Lawford Essex William Watts abt 1879 Mannington, Essex, England Boarder Lawford Essex ------------------------------------------- This is the nearest William; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Mary J Barnes abt 1843 Rose Ash, Devon, England Wife East Ham Essex William Barnes abt 1861 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Head East Ham Essex Charles Littlepage abt 1874 Poplar, Middlesex, England Visitor East Ham Essex Edith A Short abt 1877 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Stepdaughter East Ham Essex William Vial abt 1873 Lawford, Essex, England Boarder East Ham Essex Cheers Steve

Hi Steve yesterday you found some info on The Ambrose family for me i was just wondering if it was possible you could find out the maiden name of the wife. William Ambrose born 1843 Harriestham married Susan ? bron 1846 Elham. Their first child was born 1879 so i guess they got married before that. If you can find this it would be super. Thanks again Claire

Hi Stephen thanks for my Charles Welfare info I have a missing grt-grt grandparents several people have tried to find them with no luck if you have time couldyou have a look. 1891 census Henry Foreman born Gravesend 1864and Eliza Foreman born Sussex 1869 married 1890 Strood. address given as Northfleet. He was a seaman.Thanks again. Jane.

Hi Stephen Adamson Many thanks for the information.Could I have a copy of images? Regards Margaret

Thanxs Steve that looks like right ones great :~) Sorry but have you got address's? Thanxs so much for looking for me your a star * Lesley :~)

Hi Steve Could you look under 1901 census for John Viall and William Viall from Manningtree Essex pls. Many thanks Colin

Lesley Here they are in 1861; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Emma J Jolliffe 1836 Hurdsfield, Cheshire, England Wife Bollington Cheshire Joseph Jolliffe 1829 Clap, Staffordshire, England Head Bollington Cheshire ------------------------------- Emma and the boys in 1871; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Albert Jolliff 1871 Sutton, Cheshire, England Son Sutton Cheshire Emma Jolliff 1836 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Wife Sutton Cheshire Thomas H Jolliff 1862 Butley, Cheshire, England Son Sutton Cheshire On the image, Emma is show as married, but no sign of Joseph. This looks like him back with his parents, He is shown as married, but no wife present. Newton is Manchester, fitting in with your thoughts. In 1861 Joseph is a Silk Weaver, this Joseph in 1871 is a Silk Picker; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Elizabeth Jolliffe 1801 Leigh, Lancashire, England Wife Newton Lancashire Joseph Jolliffe 1802 Quarnford, Staffordshire, England Head Newton Lancashire Joseph Jolliffe 1828 Quarnford, Staffordshire, England Son Newton Lancashire Cheers Steve

Hi Steve, Thank you for look up i think they where cousins but will have to check it all out regards June

Hi Steve Fancy another look up? 1861/1871 census Joseph Jolliffe/Jolliff b:1829 Clap Staffs Wife Emma Jane Smith b:1836 Macclesfield cheshire I think they married at St.Paul's Macclesfield but not got year. Can you find any children please? Joseph I think died in 1871 Manchester but this has not been confirmed!! I have found 2 people who could poss be sons? Thomas.H b:1862 Butley cheshire Albert b:1871 Sutton cheshire on cheshirebmd it said same fathers name as JosephJolliff and mother was Emma ??? Any info on this family please? Many thanxs Lesley :~)

Hi Steve - Many thanks for your time. Rita

Wow Thanxs Steve Thats great I really appreciate your help many many thanxs Lesley :~)

Lesley The Evans' in 1891, 73 Earle Street; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Image Evans, Charles abt 1876 Crewe, Cheshire Son Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, James abt 1847 Wrenbury, Cheshire Head Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, John abt 1872 Wrenbury, Cheshire Son Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, Lillie abt 1878 Crewe, Cheshire Daughter Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, Sarah abt 1844 Audlem, Cheshire Wife Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, Sarah Elizabeth abt 1880 Crewe, Cheshire Daughter Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, Ada abt 1874 Crewe, Cheshire Daughter Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, Jabez Lewis abt 1884 Crewe, Cheshire Son Coppenhall Monks Cheshire Evans, Minnie abt 1887 Crewe, Cheshire Daughter Coppenhall Monks Cheshire --------------------------------------- I'm afraid in 1861, James is in service; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Ann Bickerton 1846 N Servant Boddington Cheshire James Evans 1847 Newhall, Cheshire, England Servant Boddington Cheshire Mary Remey 1842 Lytham, Lancashire, England Servant Boddington Cheshire William Richert 1843 Bramshall, Cheshire, England Servant Boddington Cheshire Elizabeth Webb 1835 Burland, Cheshire, England Servant Boddington Cheshire Ann Williams 1816 Brayton, Cheshire, England Wife Boddington Cheshire John Williams 1857 Barrington, Cheshire, England Son Boddington Cheshire Joseph Williams 1822 Boddington, Cheshire, England Head Boddington Cheshire Martha Williams 1854 Barrington, Cheshire, England Daughter Boddington Cheshire Thomas Williams 1828 Boddington, Cheshire, England Boddington Cheshire Cheers Steve

Kathy No luck at allwith John Hull and Jane Emily Nunn I'm afraid. Tried different spellings and outside Essex too. Sorry Steve

Its very hard to work out what one he is with the little information i have. I think i will have to pester my mum and Aunty again to see if they can remember anything else. Thank you very much for your help anyway xx

Natalie this is the only Walter Griffiths in Stckport in 1901, and he has a brother George Wallace... Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Ellen Louise Griffiths abt 1897 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter Stockport Cheshire George Wallace Griffiths abt 1890 Stockport, Cheshire, England Son Stockport Cheshire Ida Griffiths abt 1889 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter Stockport Cheshire Louisa Griffiths abt 1857 Hiseon, Staffordshire, England Wife Stockport Cheshire Richard Griffiths abt 1859 Chester, Cheshire, England Head Stockport Cheshire Walter Griffiths abt 1895 Stockport, Cheshire, England Son Stockport Cheshire -------------------------------------------- The only one in Middlesex; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Florence Griffiths abt 1894 Hanwell, Middlesex, England Daughter Hanwell Middlesex Henrietta Griffiths abt 1865 Hanwell, Middlesex, England Daughter Hanwell Middlesex Valentine Griffiths abt 1898 Hanwell, Middlesex, England Son Hanwell Middlesex Walter Griffiths abt 1872 Basingstoke, Hampshire, England Son-in-law Hanwell Middlesex Walter Griffiths abt 1895 Hanwell, Middlesex, England Son Hanwell Middlesex Stephen Huntley abt 1824 Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England Head Hanwell Middlesex Clara Pullen abt 1880 Hanwell, Middlesex, England Granddaughter Hanwell Middlesex ----------------------------------------------- These are all the Walters in London, none have a winifred or Wallace link; Walter Griffiths abt 1900 Brixton, London, England Nephew Battersea London Walter Griffiths abt 1895 Shepherds Bush, London, England Son Hammersmith London Walter D Griffiths abt 1901 Westminster, London, England Son St George Hanover Square London Walter G Griffiths abt 1898 Poplar, London, England Son Poplar London Walter J Hy Griffiths abt 1896 Middlesex, London, England Son Buckden Huntingdonshire Walter James Griffiths abt 1900 Chelsea, London, England Boarder Leeds Yorkshire Walter M Griffiths abt 1900 Islington, London, England Son Lewisham London Hope some of this helps. Steve

Valerie The only potential marriage between an Alfred Green and an Elizabeth in Middlesex from 1858 to 1865 is this one; Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1860 BURRY James Hackney 1b 494 Cook Elizabeth Hackney 1b 494 Green Alfred Hackney 1b 494 Tushaw Mary Ann Susan Hackney 1b 494 This looks loke them in 1871; Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Alfred Green 1834 Holborn, Middlesex, England Head Islington London Alfred Green 1868 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington London Annie Green 1858 Notting Hill, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington London Elizabeth Green 1839 Islington, Middlesex, England Wife Islington London Elizabeth Green 1864 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington London Emelia Green 1862 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington London Henry Green 1866 Islington, Middlesex, England Son Islington London Kate Green 1870 Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington London Sarah Green 1860 Walworth, Surrey, England Daughter Islington London Amelia Swinscow 1848 Islington, Middlesex, England Sister-in-law Islington London Hope this helps Steve