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ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 11:22

Hi Ever
Sorry bout delay but i have been trying to check all records for you,
I cannot find a Mary Ellen Maggs on the passenger lists, or a Mary Ellen Thomson (other than one, travelling with a Joseph but this was in 1919, so at that point she wouldnt have been Thomson)

I have also looked at the deaths overseas records from 1993 onwards and have nothing for her in the name of Thomson up to and including 2005, she could of remarried maybe or long shot i know but still alive she would be 104yrs!!

Have you tried contacting the nursing home she was in?
Thanks
Ceri

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 11:30

Colin

With regards to your query regarding death certs being given for victims of war, i really dont know the answer for sure, however you will note that from the information on the war death i found earlier that i was able to find an index for them (vol no and page no.) whether this would allow you to obtain the actual certificate or whether it would be for further information surrounding his death i dont know.

But i would say that i am under the impression that with the death index you would be able to apply for the death cert (Maybe from the army direct)

Thanks
Ceri

Barbara

Barbara Report 24 Aug 2007 13:25

Hi Ian
if poss could you please look up passenger list to canada from scotland. i am looking for George Winchester i believe he went around 1905.also his brother John he went around 1910 would like to know what ship they sailed on any help much appreciated.
Barbara [holland].

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 13:30

Hi Judy

Here is his birth record.
Name: Sydney Bullard
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 39

Here is his mariage record.
Name: Sydney Bullard
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 155

This is him in 1881:

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BULLARD, Sydney
Address: 2 Elizabeth Cottage, St George The Martyr Southwark

BULLARD, Frederick Head Married M 32 Basket Maker, Ware, Hertfordshire
BULLARD, Anne Wife Married F 34
Wadesmill, Hertfordshire
BULLARD, James Son Single M 11
Hoddonser, Hertfordshire
BULLARD, Frederick Son Single M 9
Enfield, Middlesex
BULLARD, Henry Son Single M 7
Southwark, Surrey
BULLARD, Rosa Daughter Single F 3
Southwark, Surrey
BULLARD, Sydney Son Single M 1
Southwark, Surrey
RG number:RG11, Piece:524, Folio:21, Page:40
Registration District:St Saviour Southwark
Sub District:Kent Road

This is him in 1891:
1891 census - household transcription
Person: BULLARD, Sydney
Address: 10, New Church Road, Camberwell
BULLARD, Annie Wife Married F 43
Wadesmill, Hertfordshire
BULLARD, James Son Single M 21 Basket Maker
Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire
BULLARD, Frederick Son Single M 19 Basket Maker, Enfield, Hertfordshire
BULLARD, Henry Son Single M 17 Blind Maker
Walworth, London
BULLARD, Rose Daughter F 14
Walworth, London
BULLARD, Sydney Son M 11 Scholar
Walworth, London
BULLARD, Maud Daughter F 7 Scholar
Walworth, London
BULLARD, Nellie Daughter F 3
Walworth, London
HAMILTON, William Boarder Single M 17 Basket Maker Camberwell, London
RG number:RG12, Piece:488, Folio:51, Page:51
Registration District:Camberwell
Sub District:St George
EnumerationDistrict:12
Ecclesiastical Parish:St Georges

You will note that on the 1891 census his father Frederick has disappeared, and on the 1901 i cant seem to find him!! However it would appear that he volunteered for army duties in the first world war, i cannot confirm, whether this is definately him though without furthr clarification.
Thanks
Ceri


ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 14:16

Hi Adrian

Found the following for you although you didnt say where in the country they were from so here's to guessing:

This is Jesse Birth (i checked 1844 - 1847)
Name: Jesse Thorn
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Luton
County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 6
Page: 108

This is Job's birth
Name: Job Thorn
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leighton Buzzard
County: Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire
Volume: 6
Page: 76

This is David's Birth
Name: David Thorn
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leighton Buzzard
County: Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire
Volume: 6
Page: 89

Census results will follow.
Ceri

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 14:18

Adrian
Census results

I believe this to be Job and David on the 1861 Census
1861 census - household transcription
Person: THORN, Job
Address: Kings Hall, Clipperdown, Ivinghoe
THORN, James Head Married M 55 Agricultural Labourer,Alloway Herefordshire
THORN, Rebecca Wife Married F 44 Straw Plaiter
Hareston, Herefordshire
THORN, Job Son M 12 Agricultural Labourer
Ringshall, Buckinghamshire
THORN, David Son M 10 Agricultural Labourer
Ringshall, Buckinghamshire
THORN, Mary C Daughter F 2 Ringshall
Buckinghamshire
RG number: RG09 Piece:1008 Folio:27 Page:3
Registration District:Leighton Buzzard
Sub District:3 Ivinghoe
EnumerationDistrict:2

This 1871 Census for Job
1871 census - household transcription
Person: THORN, Job
Address: Horsendon Hill Rd, Greenford Magna
APLIN, James Lodger M 21 Dorset
THORN, Job Lodger M 20 Buckinghamshire
RG number:RG10 Piece:1323 Folio:84 Page:10
Registration District:Brentford
Sub District:Acton
EnumerationDistrict:11

And this him on 1881 Census
1881 census - household transcription
Person: THORN, Job
Address: Ringshall The Row, Ivinghoe (Bucks)
THORN, Job Head Married M 32 Bricklayers Lab
Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire
THORN, Annie M Wife Married F 30 Bricklayers Lab Wife Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire
THORN, Arthur Son Single M 3
Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire
RG number:RG11 Piece:1644 Folio:23 Page:4
Registration District:Leighton Buzzard
Sub District:Ivinghoe

And this him on 1891 Census.
1891 census - household transcription
Person: THORN, Job
Address: 23, Ringshall Road, Ivinghoe
THORN, Job Head Married M 42 Bricklayers Labourer, Ringshall, Buckinghamshire
THORN, Annes M Wife Married F 40
Ringshall, Buckinghamshire
THORN, Arthur Son Single M 13 Scholar
Ringshall, Buckinghamshire
RG number:RG12 Piece:1267 Folio:20 Page:5
Registration District:Leighton Buzzard
Sub District:Ivinghoe
EnumerationDistrict:2
Ecclesiastical Parish:Ivinghoe

Ceri

Artcev

Artcev Report 24 Aug 2007 14:35

Ian/Ceri
Thank you very much for the time and effort you have put into this research for me, sorry for not putting the area which the family were from, was Aldbury, Herts mainly but also Bucks. Seems it's always different with parishes, districts, sub districts etc. Anyway you've given me plenty to look into, thanks again

Adrian

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 14:44

Hi Sarah,

This is his death record
WRIGHT, Frederick Ernest 30 August 1931 Bexley 1991 June Volume No 11, Page No 430 Reg No 691

This is his birth
Frederick E Wright, mothers maiden name =House, Born Brighton vol 2b page 256

I have found the following marriage, but cannot confirm that it is definately him, however if you obtain both his birth cert and the marriage cert you should be able to confirm this.

Frederick E Wright to Eileen Morgan @ Bristol in 1st Qtr 1948 - Vol 7b page 51
Hope this helps
Ceri

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 14:52

Hi Mary
Unfortunately i only have access to births from 1837, i know there are people in the records office board that do have access so maybe ask them.
Sorry, thanks

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 15:04

Barbara,

How old were they do you know at all?

Anyway i have searched George Winchester to Canada, and the only one from Scotland is the following:

Name: George WINCHESTER
Date of departure: 11 February 1910
Port of departure: Glasgow
Passenger destination port: Saint John Nb,Canada
Passenger destination: Saint John Nb, Canada
Age: 49
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Cooper
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 8
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Jas WINCHESTER Page 1 of 8 View transcript
Ship: CASSANDRA
Official Number: 124130
Master's name: John Mitchell
Steamship Line: Donaldson
Where bound: Saint John Nb, Canada
Square feet: 10545
Registered tonnage: 5228
Passengers on voyage: 174

However, you will see that at the time of sailing the above is aged 49 and the date of sailing was in Feb 1910.

As for John Winchester, i have found the following ones for John Winchester travelling to Canada!

WINCHESTER John 33 M 1906 Liverpool Canada Saint John Nb
WINCHESTER John 36 M 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf
WINCHESTER John Adult M 1910 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER John L 26 M 1911 Liverpool Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER John 20 M 1920 Glasgow Canada Quebec

You will see there are a couple travelling from Galsgow and they are all different ages, if you could advise more info i will be able to locate it for you.
Thanks
Ceri


Camille

Camille Report 24 Aug 2007 16:44

Hi again Ian /Ceri , may I have a search for census 1851 and 61 please?

Mary Alice or Alice Sumner, Ithink, according to the 1871 census she was born Newbury ,Berks. 1846.
I have confirmation of her marriage 1869 in Mortimer, Berks. to George Rampton.
I aso have Birth cert. for a Daughter , Emma Jane Sumner ...Born Rotherwick , Hants. 1866, she was born 3 years before Alice Sumner married.
I only need to find, if possible, where she is on a census to trace her Parents and possible Siblings.
Her Father's name on Marriage cert. states his name as Charles Sumner ( Ag. Lab.)

Many thanks
Lulli x

mary

mary Report 24 Aug 2007 17:10

Hi Ian, Thanks so much for looking for my Mary Ellen and Joseph. I'm afraid I don't know the name or whereabouts of the nursing home, anyhow I am just grateful you found the marriage deails for me. Ian is there any chance you could look up a WW1 soldier for me.......His name was Ralph Hartley (Private)
11585, 14th Bn., Royal Warwickshire Regiment,
Died 25 October 1917 and is buried at Tyne Cot Memorial in Belgium. Killed I believe in action. He was born in 1893, England. I would love to know any information at all about him (my grandfather) was he injured, where did he live before he enlisted just anything would be great.

Thank you..
Kind regards

mary

June

June Report 24 Aug 2007 18:23

hi
could you find out about stanley rothwell born 1910
all i know is my sister told me he was in the grenadier guards i have no other details of this
thanks
june

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 19:57

Hi June

This could be his birth record:
Name: Stanley Rothwell
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bolton
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 445

This looks like him on the army's roll of honor
Name: ROTHWELL, Stanley
Branch at death: Infantry
Regiment, Corps etc.: The Lancashire Fusiliers
Branch at 01/09/39: Infantry
Regiment, Corps etc.: The Lancashire Fusiliers
Last name: Rothwell
First name(s): Stanley
Initials: S
Birthplace: Bolton
Residence: Manchester
Rank: J Lance-Corporal
Number: 3449244
Date died: 04 December 1943
Theatre of war: United Kingdom

If so this is him
Name: ROTHWELL, STANLEY
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers
Secondary Regiment: Commando
Secondary Unit Text: and No. 6
Date of Death: 04/12/1943
Service No: 3449244
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Clough Sec. 8. Row 4. Grave 56.
Cemetery: PRESTWICH (ST. MARY)CHURCHYARD, UK

I searched marriage records and did not find him in years 1926 - 1930, so without going through every single record, i have not been succesful in locating his marriage.

Let me know what you think
Ceri

Louise

Louise Report 24 Aug 2007 20:02

Hello Ian,
Could you look for Alice Nuttall born 1854 in Atherton,Leigh.in the 1861 and possibly 1871 census.
Many thanks
Louise

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 20:56

Hi Lulli
Sorry i have had no luck.
Ceri

David

David Report 24 Aug 2007 21:19

he was married in nottingham 1932 could you find the marriage?? to confirm
june

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 21:23

Hi Louise

This looks like her on 1871 census
1871 census - household transcription
Person: NUTTALL, Alice
Address: Cranmer Road, Lambeth
RAMSEY, William Head M 31 Lancashire VIEW
RAMSEY, Eliza Wife F 32 Staffordshire VIEW
RAMSEY, William Son M 7 London VIEW
RAMSEY, Eliza M Daughter F 6 London VIEW
RAMSEY, James Barlow Son M 4 London VIEW
RAMSEY, Dora Mary Daughter F 2 London VIEW
RAMSEY, Isabel Daughter F 0 London VIEW
RAMSEY, Isabella Sister F 19 Scotland VIEW
NUTTALL, Alice Servant F 16 Surrey VIEW
RG number:RG10 Piece:677 Folio:89 Page:2
Registration District:Lambeth
Sub District:Kennington 2nd
EnumerationDistrict:12

Do you know either of her parents names, or anyone living in the households name in 1861 (ie brothers or sisters etc) As there are about 100 results!!

Thanks
Ceri

Camille

Camille Report 24 Aug 2007 21:23

Ian /Ceri, thanks for your time

Regsrds Lulli x

ceri

ceri Report 24 Aug 2007 21:31

Hi David/June

You didnt say who you were talking about but i guess Stanley Rothwell, this is the only entry i found in 1932.

Stanley J Rothwell to Ivy Pinder @ Nottingham, 2nd Qtr 1932, vol 7b page 785

Thanks
Ceri