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HELP PLEASE FOR MY FATHER....

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Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 30 Oct 2007 18:53

Dionne,

DARTFORD REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Kent.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Bexley; Darent Valley; Dartford; Dartford First; Dartford Second; Dartford & Farningham; ERITH; Farningham; Gravesend.
GRO volumes : V (1837-51); 2a (1852-1946); 5B (1946-65); 5F (1965-74).

Erith is under Dartford registration district

Brenda

Dionne

Dionne Report 30 Oct 2007 19:11

Thankyou Brenda

I was checking the area to see if Erith was in the same district.I was going to reply to you but you beat me to it,lol.

Poor Katherine died quite young. I am on the hunt now for possible children.

Many thanks
Dionne

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 30 Oct 2007 19:20

This member has Frank Weeks b 1888 Lambeth in his tree - could it be the same one?

Frank 1888 Lambeth ....... Raymond

Brenda

Dionne

Dionne Report 30 Oct 2007 19:22

Thankyou Brenda.

I will check it out.Still looking for children at the moment.lol

Dionne

Dionne

Dionne Report 31 Oct 2007 11:41

Good morning everyone.

Brenda.. I have sent a message to the tree member regarding Frank asking if it is possible that we have a match.I am waiting to hear back from him.

I spent hours looking for possible children last night and it looks like Frank and Katherine didnt have children as I have not come across anything.

I had information today on my grandmothers will Dorothea. Again the plot thickens. Would you believe that there is no record of a will. Now I do know that she did have one when she was in contact with my father because she showed it to him. The will was also held at her bank.

Now I am thinking that perhaps when the contact stopped again between her and my father she decided to get rid of her assets before she died.If she did this then she wouldnt have needed a will would she. Am I right on this one?She was a very clever and by all accounts a 'sly' woman.

I am still waiting for the other certificates to arrive.Lets see what the postman brings tomorrow.

Dionne

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 31 Oct 2007 15:01

Hello Dionne, thanks for keeping us updated. You could write a book on Dorothea (if that's her real name!).

Selena

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 31 Oct 2007 16:36

Dionne

Would you like me to look for Edwin Livermores service records at Kew? Am I right in thinking that he would have been in the Army 1900 onwards??

Dionne

Dionne Report 31 Oct 2007 16:50

Hi Ann

Thankyou for your offer.I did a search at the National Archives and it found two Livermores. An Ernist Livermore and Edward Livermore.I paid the fee for the documents just to check them.They werenot the Lvermore that I am after.

The only information I have to go on is what was on Dorotheas marriage certificate that being.....

Edwin William Livermore (deceased)
Occupation Corporal Royal Army Medical Corps.

Dorotheas marriage took place in 1930 and she was 21 years old.

I will keep my fingers crossed that you have more luck then me in finding any details of him.

Thankyou
Dionne

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 31 Oct 2007 16:53

So really he could have been in the Army either before WW1, during WW1 or both?

Dionne

Dionne Report 31 Oct 2007 17:01

Hi Ann

Yes.lol.

But again if you have read this never ending thread you will see that Dorothea told many ' un truths '. We only have the information that she gave is which is not a great deal and what is on Certificates. It has her birth place as South Africa along with her sister. I have searched and searched and many members here have helped me but I find nothing.

I am beginning to wonder if Edwin Livermore was ever her real father.

Thanks
Dionne

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 31 Oct 2007 17:11

Let's hope this was one thing she told the truth about!

All I can do is look pre 1914, and 1914-1918 and hope he is there!

Dionne

Dionne Report 31 Oct 2007 17:14

Thankyou so much Ann and good luck.
Dionne

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 31 Oct 2007 17:20

Hey Dionne

I'm still sitting in the wings, awaiting my turn to help you.... !!!!

Could you do me a favour? Have you got a brief synopsis of where we are right now? Who we still need to find, or where you'd like to start looking next... i'm everso lost lol... and i have a few spare hour to spend with my bottle of Vodka & a hint of Coke!

Dionne

Dionne Report 31 Oct 2007 17:33

Hi there Wayne

I would love to join you,lol.This search is so close to driving me to drink,lol.

There isnt really a great deal more to tell.I am still waiting for the marriage certificate of Constance(Dorotheas sister) to turn up.I want to see if the fathers details on her certificate are the same as Dorotheas.

I joined Ancestry24 a South African site and spent days searching all parish registers for possible births of Dorothea and her sister and marriages for Edwin. Again nothing has turned up. I looked in National Archives Army records.Two Livermores showed up but again they are not the Edwin Livermore I am loking for.

As I said in an earlier thread I think.I am beginning to wonder if an Edwin Livermore in the Army Royal Medical Corps did ever really exist or was it another one of Dorotheas stories??

I cant beleive that I have managed to trace the Sloper side of the family tree back to the 1600's for my father but the Livermore side stops at his grandfather.

So any ideas for other searches would be greatfully received.lol

Many Thanks
Dionne

Dionne

Dionne Report 1 Nov 2007 10:45

OMG OMG!!!!

I have just received some certificates.

Constances marriage certificate and the birth certificate for the child Dorothea Maud Livermore.

Constances marriage certificate.
MARRIED 2nd Jan 1939 to Victor Turner
he was 28 she was 32. Makes her dob 1907(Dorothea always said that she was older then her sister when infact she was Younger
ADDRESS 27 Northview Crescent,Neasden
WITNESSED BY Dorothea Maud Sloper.
FATHERS NAME AND al OCCUPATION.
Lance Corporal Royal Army Medical Corps. EDWARD WILLIAM LIVERMORE.

So it looks like Edward William Livermore was the father.I have come across his name a few times.So at least now I have someting concrete to work on.

BUT THE BIGGEST SURPRISE OF ALL...

The child Dorothea Maud Livermore born
9th may 1928.....The mother was ......
Edith Constance Livermore.

There is nothing on the certificate to say the child was adopted unlike the two children Dorothea had their certificates said adopted.

So both sisters had children and gave them each others names. Interesting!!!

Let the searching begin,lol

Dionne
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Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 1 Nov 2007 13:11

There is a marriage for

Dorothea M Livermore ..... McIntosh
Wandsworth
1st qtr 1950
vol 5d page 1649


William J McIntosh...... Dorothea M Squire or Livermore
Wandsworth
1st qtr 1950
vol 5d page 1649

There are entries listed under both - Squire and also Livermore to William J McIntosh

Brenda

Dionne

Dionne Report 1 Nov 2007 13:25

Oh great Brenda. Thankyou.

My mum and I are looking for information on Edward William Livermore.There seem to be quite a few of them and it is working out which one is the right one,lol
Still cant find anything in Army records.

Thanks again
Dionne

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 1 Nov 2007 13:28

Death

MCINTOSH, Dorothea Maud born 9 May 1928 died Hastings/r 2002 July District No 4561A
Reg No A76A
Ent No 221
Dor 702

MCINTOSH, Dorothea May born 9 May 1928 died Hastings/r 2002 July District No 4561A
Reg No A76A
Ent No 221
Dor 702

Yours is not a straightforward family!

Death
MCINTOSH, William John born 20 February 1924 died Hastings/r 2004 April District No 4561B
Reg No B87A
Ent No 219
Dor 404

Birth for

William John McIntosh mmn Woodford
W Derby
1st qtr 1924
vol 8b page 970


Brenda

Dionne

Dionne Report 1 Nov 2007 13:31

Hi Brenda

Because of two listings does this mean that the child Dorothea coul have been married twice or was it Mcintosh?
Thankyou
Dionne

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 1 Nov 2007 13:35

Either Dorothea was married before marrying McIntosh or she was known by both names ie Dorothea M Livermore and Dorothea M Squire. I have not found a previous marriage for her as I started checking when she was aged 16 in 1944

Brenda