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Oh Brenda

I am really really confused now.
If Dorothea (child) did marry am I right in thinkiong that she died in 2002 in Hastings? My brain is going into meltdown,lol
Dionne

Yes, thats correct.

Brenda

Thankyou so much Branda.

I have to go out for a while but promise to be back as soon as I can.
I am going to try and foind out some information on Edward Livermore,then purhaps I will be able to find out who my fathers grandmother was.

Thanks again for all of your help.Yo are a star.Catch you soon.
Dionne

Birth

Ian D McIntosh mmn Squire
Battersea
2nd qtr 1952
vol 5c page 32

Malcolm D McIntosh mmn Livermore
Wandsworth
4th qtr 1955
vol 5d page 899

Brenda

I have looked for a death for Edward William Livermore, Edwin William Livermore and Edmund from 1909 - 1942 but am unable to find him.

Brenda

would Livermore senior have been in the Great War?

If so it might be worth looking at the absent voters lists for the london districts to see if he's on them?

Oh and Constance might have lied about her age on her marriage cert !!

Wayne

I'm going to look at Kew to see if I can find his Army records - hopefully in next couple of days.

Hi Brenda Wayne and Ann

I dont think you will find a death for Edward Livermore over here.I think he died abroad.

There is the South Africa connection on Dorotheas death certificate saying born in South Africa.

Also on Dorotheas marriage certificate aged 21 she has her father as Royal Army Medical Corps Deceased.

Wayne I would not have thought that Constance would have lied about her age on her marriage certificate.It shows she was older then her husband.if she was going to lie about her age wouldnt she have wanted to make herself look younger?I know I would have,lol.

Ann. I do hope you are able to find some information at Kew for me.

WIll be back later.Have to prepere the tea.

Many thanks
Dionne

Hi All

Has anyone had any luck looking for Edward William Livermore.I searched last night and today.There are alot of Edwards that come up but I am really not sure as to if I have the right one or not.

Many thanks
Dionne

Yes, Dionne, I have!! Just got back from Kew, and I found what I assume are his Army records.

There was nothing in WW1 service records, so I then looked at those discharged to pension 1900-1913. I didn't take copies, but have made notes on the relevant bits. Name Edward William Livermore, Royal Army Medical Corps. Born Southminster (?? hard to read), Maldon, Essex. Aged 18 when he enlisted in 1900. Trade - Baker. He was promoted to Corporal 1/10/1910, and was discharged 6/5/1912. He was in South Africa from 7/12/1901-29/11/1911. His father was William, address 9 Balkerne (??) Lane, Colchester. Mother Annie, 3 sisters -Edith Annie and Florence. Unfortunately no wife or children mentioned. I think this must be him and hopefully now you can track the family down on the census, and even trace the 3 sisters forwards!

Ann.. well done, have been keeping track of this thread because it's so interesting.
Can't wait to read Dionne's response to your latest infomation..
Can't believe how very kind and helpful all of you are to researchers.
Best wihes, Jennifer

Oh Ann

You wonderful wonderful lady.Thankyou so very very much. This just has to be him doesnt it. I just cant beleive that you
have found him and details of a family too.I am wondering where he now died as there is no record that I can find in South Africa for him.

So it looks like his daughter Dorothea could have been telling the truth and was born in South Africa after all.Strange no mention of a wife or children.I wonder what happened to Dorotheas mother.

at least I have more to work on now and Ann if you were close by I would come in give you a huge bunch of flowers and a hug to go with it.

Thankyou so very very much.
Dionne
xx

I think I was almost as excited as you are!! I suppose the family info was recorded when he enlisted, so he wouldn't have been married then, and it just never got added on. Haven't looked at the census yet - wanted to hear what you thought first, but now off to look at it!

Again Ann

Thankyou so very very much.

I have to go now untill early evening but I cant wait to return and get searching on the other half of my fathers family tree.

many many thanks
Dionne

he may well of married in SA after all?

1891 England Census
about Florence E Livermore
Name: Florence E Livermore
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Willm
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Southminster, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Southminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Town: Southminster
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:Rose & Crown High St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Maldon
Sub-registration district: Southminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edith Annie Harvey 14 Step daughter
Alice Maud Livermore 1
Edwin W Livermore 6
Florence E Livermore 4
Sarah Ann Livermore 29
Willm Livermore 32 head/ Carrier
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1395; Folio 96; Page 9; GSU roll: 6096505.

On here he is Edwin though so could this be his birth?

Births Jun 1884
Livermore Edwin William Maldon 4a 419

Brenda

1901 England Census
about Florence E Livermore
Name: Florence E Livermore
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Southminster, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Colchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary at the Walls
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:9 Balkerne Lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester, First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice M Livermore 11
Annie Livermore 42
Florence E Livermore 14 Drapers Assistant
William Livermore 39 Groom
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1707; Folio: 29; Page: 4.

Marriages Dec 1883
Harvey Annie Maldon 4a 557
LIVERMORE William Maldon 4a 557

Brenda

Thanks for these - I've just found them too, but you beat me to it! Nice to see they were still living at the same address in 1901!!

You were great Ann finding the info at Kew. What do you think of the names ie Edward or Edwin? There is a birth for Edwin in right area and on 1891 he is listed as Edwin?

Brenda

Thanks for your kind words - I was just happy to find it! Seems to have used both names for some reason - 1 on one daughters marriage and 1 on the other! If there's only a birth for an Edwin and not an Edward, I suppose that must be him. If Dionne wanted to order the cert, she could specify that fathers name had to be William - I wouldn't mention mothers name - she seems to have been Sarah and Annie!