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Trying again !! James Greenwood 1832 - 1883

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JaneyCanuck Report 13 Sep 2008 00:23

No James Greenwood father Michael 1827-1837 in the IGI.


WayneTracey Report 13 Sep 2008 00:40


Nice to know you have credited my hard work???

Yes Michael Greenwood is Transcribed as the father from actual parish records.

The site I (sorry Simon) got this data from was the FreeREG project, sister project to FreeBMD (which we all know and love)

I have given Simon loads of data i have found.....



JaneyCanuck Report 13 Sep 2008 01:56

Ooooh, Tracey, that answers my question!

Dang -- I'm positive I checked FreeREG! Oh, I was probably looking for the earlier events, didn't think to look for the marriage because Simon has the certificate. I did recognize that as a FreeREG formatted thing and was going to wander back over there and look some more ... but I wandered off the US gun politics board instead ...

You got any more data you want to give *me*?? Just to feed my little obsessions with my crazy theories, you know. ;)


JaneyCanuck Report 13 Sep 2008 02:45

There's no Michael Greenwood in the history of Lancashire.

Somebody needs to check that original parish record for James's marriage. Simon. ;)


WayneTracey Report 13 Sep 2008 09:25

Hey you !!!

I think Michael has died before the 1841 know how they like to make life easy for us!

Trying to find a death will be almost impossible.... with the lack of burial records currently.

I do think i found them in 1841 with a widow running a farm of sum acres and a 9yr old son called James.

But again a marriage is thin on the ground, (like the records).

I to have many many rellies from Lancashire, but the county is so vast, although they have lots of records transcribed it's a mere drop in the ocean, so patience tells me to wait some more..... afterall i personally have waited 8 years for some records.... and made the 3 1/2 hour drive each way only to have 2 hours at the RO !!!

I think we need to make dying rellies write dwn everything they know about their own life and hold it in a safe incase some loon like me needs the data!!!

Tracey x


Simon Report 13 Sep 2008 13:06


Thanks for that and apologies again for not recognising your fantastic effort, I just got a little carried away thinking I was close to cracking this one.

Please post the 1841 record you found please.


Simon Report 13 Sep 2008 20:21


I will contact the record office in Wolverhampton I am sure someone there will look at the original record to check the fathers name.

I guess his father was dead and he might have forgotton what he was called, expecially if his father died when James was young, that is, before 1851.

Still don't understand why there is no obvious James 1832 on the 1851 census though.


JaneyCanuck Report 13 Sep 2008 20:24

What I don't get is why the marriage certificate, which should contain the exact same info as the parish record, says "Richard" if the record says "Michael".

You're sure you're reading "Richard" correctly? ;)


Simon Report 13 Sep 2008 20:38

Well I have just re-read the cert.

It definately looks more like a R than an M for the first letter.

The 2nd, 3rd and 3th are (ich)

Fifth letter is very small but letter starts botton left and finishes bottom right so I would say an a

Sixth letter very small but looks like a poor (r) not a poor (e).

The seventh letter looks like a (d) but has a long tail bottom right, which makes it look like a capital L.

I would still say Richard not Michael.

Maybe it was wrongly transcribed into the Church Record or vice versa.


WayneTracey Report 14 Sep 2008 12:32


Remembering that his mother would have been a farmers wife of many acres and possibly widowed with small children..... what are her options??

Yes REMARRIAGE..... you maybe looking for a James Greenwood and he maybe on the census a James Smith or Daniels etc.

Without knowing his mothers name you are going to struggle. But i would wager she's taken another man? Maybe another Greenwood? Or a man of the name of Michael and he's got himself confused?

I do think there is a high chance that he's carrying another surname on the census, and only returns to his real name once he has left home and married.



JaneyCanuck Report 14 Sep 2008 20:21

That's been one of my theories all along -- that Richard, or now Michael, was a stepfather's given name ... *or* that Greenwood was a stepfather's surname and the birth father's given name might have been Richard ... or Michael.

Both scenarios are highly not uncommon.

Tracey -- can you say where this widowed farmer Greenwood with son James is in 1841? I'm not even sure which county to be looking in!


Simon Report 14 Sep 2008 21:03

I've emailed the Wolverhampton record office for them to verify Michael or Richard, they are very similar names, so the correct name could be either.

Hopefully they will email me back this week.


WayneTracey Report 14 Sep 2008 23:04

Hey 'Janey' ( the monck thing makes me wonder your true name lol)

Anyhow, i've just finished a stupid weekend at work and i'll post the data when i get back online tomorrow....

.... need to rehunt it and sober up lol..... (working in a bar makes a drink after work turn lethal!!

Tracey xx


JaneyCanuck Report 15 Sep 2008 00:34

You know who I am! Simon does. ;) He even has a pet name for me ...

I looked at all the 1832 James Greenwoods in 1841 and didn't see a one to match. I'll be sitting like a vulture waiting.


Simon Report 16 Sep 2008 13:27

Yes I know who you are, I do have a pet name for you and even a song!


Simon Report 19 Sep 2008 23:01

I have checked our database for W-ton Town Marriages (available to view
online at

The database shows a James Greenwood, aged 28, a bolier maker who married
Henrietta Attwood, aged 26 at St. Peter's. His father is showing as Michael
Greenwood, a farmer.


Simon Report 26 Sep 2008 21:50


Can you please post the 1841 Census record of James Greenwood and his widow mother


JaneyCanuck Report 26 Sep 2008 23:44

Tracey!!!! Yoo hoooo! Hulloooo!

Ancestry cut me off last night so I can't even go flailing around in the dark for the 1841 census now.


WayneTracey Report 27 Sep 2008 09:58

hey hey

Sorry been working, came back for about an hour last night then the OH deemed he wanted some of my time for a change.... why do they make such

Tracey xx


Simon Report 2 Oct 2008 13:50

'Don't you forget about me' - as Jim Kerr from Simple Minds once sang.