Genealogy Chat

Linda..i'm just continuing to throw stuff at you..in case some of it sticks.
You.and some of your cotatcs have been relying on IGI and latterday Saints.
Even those records ..even though submitted rather than extracted, back up my certainty that your Ralph was not born 25.02.1784 and was not the son of Samuel and Ann..............becasue the ralph who married Ellen Merryl.......the real Ralph!!.was born in 1790/1791..........
The 1784 Ralph died in infancy..........
I can find neither of them at Tideswell..or in any of SIX surrounding Parishes..but there is a ralph Bramwell born c 1790 at Hope....very close to Tideswell.........

What fun this is!!

Derek.

Hi Derek,

I have sent you a pm....you are brilliant !

Thanks for confirming the info I have up to Ralph...

One thing that is puzzling me is that Ralph and Ellen had a son Hill Bramwell b1823 died 1824 (extracted)....so perhaps a connection with Samuel Bramwell and Ann Hill somewhere. Hill is used as a christian name or middle name in Samuel's family.

Linda

Ha ha....a possible glimmer of hope...oh dear please excuse the pun!!

Everything that you are throwing at me is definately sticking believe me lol!!

Best wishes

Linda

Linda..on the other hand I could have made the most fundamental of errors.just found out there is a Roman Catholic Church in Tideswell!..but I do't rememebr seeing any parish Records..thta's another trip to Bakewell!

But why Ralph Bramwell should be baptised catholic then marry and be buried Anglican...God only knows!! and that IS a pun

Derek

Hi Derek, judging by all that you got done I am assuming that you didn't have time to search for Nightingales (the human variety)?

Ann
Glos

Hi Ann..sorry,as you can `see i have concentrated on my present project..but the info i gace you WAS as a result of my visit to Matlock..I popped in again on Monday but didn't have time to stay long.....I do work full time...........

Believe me I am going again as soon as i can fit it in..and the Nightingales wil be my priority.

Derek.

Hi Mary..re INKLE.I have a one off opportunity of access to the Gretton parish records.......so please give me a full list of anything that you hope i might find...if you think we can get back befroe 1769.just ask.and please include when you think Yhe INKLES might have moved to Derbyshire. I have found inkles in Derbyshire..but its s bit pointless looking at them unless you find some link. i did find one possible link on the census returns.
Main thing though..lets get a much as we can from Gretton. I have only one opportunity to search..

All the best

Derek

Derek,

Any comment from the wise old sage of Derbyshire, on my problem re Thomas Needham, baptised 1800 in both Monyash and Chemorton?

You are the man to ask!

Margaret

Hey Margaret........I love the old sage bit..I speak to you now in sonorous tones from the depths of my long white beard and straggly whiskers growing out of my ears..........I haven't looked yet but i can tell you right now that one of your problems is that NEEDHAM is one of the most common names in Derbyshire.
I might enjoy this one!!..can you tell me more about Chelmorton..notice the wise old sage knows how to spell it!!............

I'll have a look and get back to you.

Derek

Hello again Magaret..Sage and onion here........
Ok..have found THOMAS NEEDHAM bapt 01.01.1800 Monyash..son of Joseph and Mary ( Jesus needham born 01.01.01. lolol)
I suspect it might be quite simple........Thomas needham was not baptised at Chelmorton..........did you get Chelmorton from the census??.....because Chelmoeton is a Chapelry in the parish pf Bakewell...and anyone born in chelmorton is quite likely to have been baptised in Monyash....all three places are very close together..
Joseph and mary were not married in Monyash..and neither was Joseph born there.......
It would be really good to crack this..cos Needhams have always bugged me.....they are in my family..and a I work for one!!

Later

Derek.

Margaret.....Joseph Needham(of Flagg) married mary Newton (of Chelmorton) 23.02.1792 at bakewell...........
It would be unusual if Thomas b 1800 was their first child..so I'm off to find some more..........but not tonight!!

Derek

No problem Derek, I thought you probably did work full time and I can assure you that I am grateful for any little crumb you can find, however not at he expense of your health so don't worry if you don't have time. They have been elusive for several years a few more wont make any difference.

Ann
glos

Hi Again Derek!
Gerald AV Inckle married Mary hardman from Bolsover.
He apparentley was a stonemason on Hardwick Hall at one time.
The earliest I can find Inckles in Derbyshire isCharles1841 Chesterfield married Elizabeth Barlow at Belper.
If you can't find the Inckles can I be cheeky and ask if you can find any Hardman's who were my husband's mother's family
Good Luck !!!!!
Mary no2

Hello Mary.......your derbyshire Inkles and hardmans will have to wait,..but i await..as youi do.with baited breath.an answer to my queries on your behalf from Gretton..........
i have to find a time to go back to matlock Records office for records that i personaaly don't have...........bear with me..it will be sorted!!.p.s.are we talking INKLE..or INCKLE?? your spelling has changed!!

Derek

LOL I love the title Wise Old Sage of Derbyshire...it is so apt Margaret !

Derek...as for your reply I now have visions of you as Gandalf lol !!

Sorry I couldn't resist adding here!!

Regards

Linda

Hi Derek

I am very partial to onions!

The two baptisms were from the IGI. The first is Jan 1800 in Monyash, it says "Parish Registers of the Chapelry of Monyash", the second is Feb 1800 in Chelmorton (did I spell it wrong? I shouldn't have done), and says "Bishops Transcripts of the Parish Church of Chelmorton", so I guessed that Chelmorton was the "main" church, but the child was actually baptised at Monyash. Joseph Needham and a Mary Dawson were married in 1792 at Bakewell.

Living only 7 miles from Buxton, I am aware of the geography but know nothing about the church "system", so will be guided by you.

I have no record of the family living in either Monyash or Chelmorton, there is no Joseph and Mary on the 1841 or later censuses, but my Thomas is living in Tideswell and states his birth as being Tideswell. You have previously checked the Tideswell baptisms and he is not there, but of course if the family moved there when he was tiny he would probably not know where he was born.

I suppose I should look at the original records at Matlock, but my previous visit was a disaster cos I didn't know what I was doing.

I have a whole other family of Needhams from the area to investigate too - another day!

Any help gratefully appreciated.

Margaret

Derek

Just a PS, I agree that Needhams are prolific in the area, such that I now have extensive spreadsheets and gedcoms on the family, there are a couple of people also with online trees for Needhams, maybe we should all get together and see if we can pool all our data to produce some useful information - what do you think?

Margaret

Hello again Margaret....the information I sent you is from the original records at Matlock..Joseph and Mary's marriage at Bakewell..and the baptism of Thomas at Monyash in 1800.......Bishops transcripts record Births rather baptisms.
I have no doubt that your Thomas was born in Chelmorton..becasue his mother came from Chelmorton.
GENUKI for Chelmorton describes the village as a "Chapelry in the Parish of Bakewell"
As i said in my previous post..I suspect there must be other children of Joseph and Mary..(I notice you ignored my crack about Jesus!!lol)..because in those days there was almost always a child within a year of marriage.
I do have lots of local parish records..I'll have a look for children of Joseph and Mary..Tideswell and Taddington seem likely.

Back later

Derek

Margaret.bit of info you might use..or not.
You can't find Joseph and Mary in 1841 because they` were probably dead.
I have two burials for you,which appear quite likely...

Joseph Needham b. 15.12.1834 Bakewell

Mary Needham b. 01.03.1840 Monyash

I have three possible marriages at Tideswell for Thomas:

11.12.1820 (when he would have been 20) to margaret Hill
25.12.1833 (33)..to Elizabeth Swindell
12.09.1839 (aged 39..a bit late??) to Anne Flinders.

Haven;t found Joseph's baptism..but i do know he came from Flagg..a few miles from Monyash..but he's not there.

Derek

Hi Derek
I have changed spelling because in some cases that is what happened but rest assured it's the same family!
Many Thanks for your time and patience!
Mary