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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 13:49

Annie noble died on august 4th 1917aged 26 in reading hospital after giving birth to aubrey noble in the may.Informant of her death was the hospital registrar.I was hoping for a friend or employer!
Aubrey was reg by an Edith Thorn on 11th august 1917 to annie noble a domestic servant.
Annie Noble also had Henry James noble in 1913[berks reg] out of wedlock who is my number 1 sons grandfather.
There are no births of annie noble in berks and 7 to choose from through the country.
Any ideas or help of how i could narrow down her birth please?
Also how to find out who may have brought the boys up or how to find what institution they may have been placed in?
my ex hubby does not speak to me so there is no chance of asking his side so all help gratefully recieved.
vivienne

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 3 Nov 2008 14:46

In your position I'd be looking for a Thorn/Noble marriage to see if Edith and Annie were sisters.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 15:17

good thinking janet,just tried it but no good only a norah thorn and pheobe noble same page 1907.
edith thorn says she was the occupier of the house where aubrey was born,but what i cant fathom is why she reged him after annies death?
hoping annie would get better maybe?
any more suggestions most welcome
thanks
vivienne

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 3 Nov 2008 15:59

I guess she assumed that Annie would register him once she got better.
What are the details of cause of death? Were they related to the birth. I would imagine that a stranger who shared the house wouldn't have been looking after Aubery and his brother unless she had some means of supporting them.

Annette

Annette Report 3 Nov 2008 19:33

Could possibly be linked, if Edith was a relation?

Births Dec 1893
Noble Edith Clara Reading 2c 343

Also possibly linked (if Henry James was named after Annie's father perhaps?):

Marriage
Name: James Henry Noble
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cookham
County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c Page: 883
Other names Emily Ann Radbourne OR
Mary Ann E Wilkins

Have you got Henry or Aubrey's marriage certs - you may get some clues from them?


FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 22:02


thanks peeps
i have henrys marriage cert
back in 10 when ive digestested your answers
viviene

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 22:29

on both aubrey and henrys b.cs shes a domestic servant and also on her death cert
aubrey was born in may and annie died in august of
acute double pneumonia and asphixia

Henry marriage cert says
henry james noble 32 yrs[ he lied but then dont they all?]as he married a woman much younger and he was divorced.
electrical engineer
no father
best bit
the divorced husband of ..madeline nina noble formely Lane[spinster]is written where bachelor would normally be
my xmother in law was one of the nicest people going and still alive but we,re not allowed to speak to her after 30 yrs even though she would like it and as my son says ..their loss..
if wishes were kisses!!!

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 22:58


suzi wong just pmd you
vivienne

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 23:02


Annette
Thank you i will certainly look into that one as that looks fair promising.
vivienne

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 3 Nov 2008 23:06

Is there an earlier birth reg for Aubrey? I'm wondering whether Edith registered him in case his mum hadn't done so. The gap seems a bit odd otherwise.

Jill

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 23:18


Cant find any other jill
i think she was just hoping annie pulled round and could do it herself and then when she died edith thought shed hurry up and do it.
wonder who chose the name aubrey? edith or annie ??such an unuaual name as well for that time especially to a domestic servants wrong side of the blanket child,well 2nd child
being romantic!! bet they were both by same dad and she had on rose coloured specs and thought he walked on water and would marry her in the end the **^><"$%&*()b
vivienne

Deb needs a change

Deb needs a change Report 3 Nov 2008 23:30

Hi Vivienne,

Have a very close look at Aubrey's birth cert. If anyone other than immediate family registered his birth, they would have had to sign a statutory declaration when providing mother's name. "As per declaration" should be written somewhere on the cert if Edith, the informant wasn't related to Annie.

If it's not there then Edith and Annie were related.



Deb:)

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 3 Nov 2008 23:49

DEB
henry james noble 12/03/1913 born farley hill reading reg on 18 /04/ 1913. by
annie noble[mother].41 russell street
as per declaration dated 17 april 1913 and then she reged him on the 18th
aubrey born 18/05/1917 at 34 highgrove st reading reged on 11/08 1917 by edith thorn of 34 highgrove street [ occupier]
no declaration.
so why then did annie have to do a declaration for henry being his mother and not edith for aubrey who wasnt his mother ?
im lost!!
vivienne

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 4 Nov 2008 00:05

Gotta go bed ,falling asleep ,back to look at it in morning
thank you all and every one
vivienne

Deb needs a change

Deb needs a change Report 4 Nov 2008 06:06

Hi Vivienne,

Whoever registered Henry James' birth wasn't a blood relative. They (whoever they were) provided Henry's mother's details and had to sign the stat dec. It wasn't Annie. I know this might sound harsh but could Annie have been simple? She may have needed help registering the birth.

On my mother's birth cert, her mother's details were provided by a non relative who signed a stat dec. This person's details don't appear on the cert.

It can be very confusing but from what I can gather, Annie wasn't living with family when her first son Henry was born. Possibly an employer or workmate registered the birth for Annie? Only Annie's details would have appeared and non relative's wouldn't.

Annie was living in Edith's house when her 2nd son Aubrey was born. Edith, being a relative registered Aubrey on Annie's behalf after Annie's death. Because Edith was related, she didn't have to sign a stat dec and her details appear on the cert.

I hope this makes sense.




Deb:)

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 4 Nov 2008 06:47

There's an Edith who married a George Thorn.

Marriages Jun 1915
Paddock Edith Thorn Reading 2c 1006
Thorn George Paddock Reading 2c 1006

Rose

Deb needs a change

Deb needs a change Report 4 Nov 2008 07:48

I can see there's only one Edith Paddock in Berks in the 1891 and 1901 census but I can't view it as my subscription's expired.

Can you post those Rose? I'm curious to see if we can make a family connection to Annie Noble. I can't seem to find a suitable Annie Noble in Berks.





Deb:)

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 4 Nov 2008 08:03

1891 England Census
about Edith Paddock
Name: Edith Paddock
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Female
Where born: Frilsham, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Easthampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Easthampstead
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Easthampstead
Sub registration district: Bracknell
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Lea 76
Edith Paddock 1
Fanny Paddock 27
John Paddock 34
William J Paddock 3

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 4 Nov 2008 08:08

1901 England Census
about Edith Paddock
Name: Edith Paddock
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Female
Where born: Box Wellhouse
Civil Parish: St Lawrence
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Reading
Sub registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Paddock 11
Ellen Paddock 2
Fanny Paddock 36
Harry Paddock 9
Hilda Paddock 6 months
John Paddock 46
Joseph Paddock 4
Thomas Paddock 7
William J Paddock 13

Rose

Deb needs a change

Deb needs a change Report 4 Nov 2008 08:10

Thanks Rose,

So, Easthampstead? I'm still not seeing Annie but in births there's an Emma and Alfred Noble born around 1890 in Easthampstead. I'm wondering if Annie could have been Emma? Clutching at straws!

Name: Emma Noble
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Easthampstead (1837-1937)
County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 541


Name: Alfred Noble
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Easthampstead (1837-1937)
County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 679





Deb:)