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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Jan 2010 17:38

I couldnt find a male to fit the bill in Epping area either,I will check out your find in BS,been feeding Mutts.

Thank Evans they knew his date of birth or he would never have been found !

No one has him under Roy or Aubrey on a tree on here,thats for sure.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 25 Jan 2010 17:02

Well you've got a bunch of births in Epping (one with his own adopted given name) (and then maybe one in Wandsworth, and then maybe Hendon, then Edmonton ...) that I think must be yours, no? No initial "M" male though!

Although there is an M in Bishops Stortford that fits in the timeline ...

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Jan 2010 16:50

Obviously we have similar blind spots in our brains !

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Jan 2010 16:35

Only have an initial M for the son,but an address in Dec 1997 for him in Gloucestershire.
AND I have a wifes name for Roy Aubrey ,and found his marriage on Ancestry in 1942 Epping.
Start on kids later as there seems to be a couple of family with same mothers maiden name(Brown).
Maybe you can sort some out for me??.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 25 Jan 2010 16:03

And I hang my head in shame, looking in Australia when Scotland was right there.

It was lovely GR member Michael who found my stray Wiltshire grx3 grfather getting married in Scotland in 1839 -- leading me to stop looking for him in England in 1841 and find him in Scotland! After 3 years of pointless searching ...

So you have a son's name, and might there be other kids??

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 25 Jan 2010 15:47

Can you hear the squeals of glee,the crowing of being first to find him and the swearing from Tom ???

I didnt get credit to check the refs etc and he had added a first name of Roy in front of Aubrey!
Poor Tom searched high and low so I got credit sent refs and WHOOPEEEEE .....
Exact date of birth and unknown parents as the son who reg the death didnt have the info.
Same job as older brother Henry !

I now go to inform others that I,me ,myself,polish, pat,trumpet blowing Viv has cracked it.
With much help from Janey ,Tom and others of course,but I will add that in the small print ......

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 21:52

Tom's around today.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1199784

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 21:32

Ohhh NO,now I have to get some credit for SP.
Deaths.
Last search found 1 match.
These are displayed over 1 page. first page of matches from last search. Surname: * Use Soundex Forename:
Aubrey Noble.

Have I done this before? I CANT REMEMBER.
I cant have or I WOULD remember.

That one died in 1998,so if hes mine he would have been about 81.
And it is that age range....80 yrs old.
Agggrrrr.this means I will have to get credit and send off for it to kill my curiosity..

TOM !

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 21:04

Somebody went for me after a plea on Records board and thats where his primary school and where he lived came from and that was all that could be found.
And even less on older brother Henry James.
I live 200 miles from Reading!

Im glad you told me about them being born in the Ebenezer place,I thought it was the name of the Farm...

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 21:00

No ages, I guess, on the Oz ER. Oh, but "Ebenezer" is where they were born. Or is it where they're living? Still figuring that out ... Ebenezer is in SA, the marriage in NSW must have been a second ...


I just did a search of phone books at Ancestry. You can't search them by address w/o surname ... but you can if you say the surname was %$#@. Seriously.

I got a few on Elgar Rd 1920-1940, but only a few and no 99.

Searching the other way, 99 but not Elgar -- because the scans of these things are horrific -- got nothing.

Now aren't you supposed to trot yourself off to the Reading library or whatever and look up electoral rolls??

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 20:57

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1112671

I think there are too many Nobles for it to be him maybe?
But what do think?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 20:54

Nobles on that ER in OZ.

Allan Aubrey,Ebenezer,Farmer
Gertrude Esina,home duties,Ebenezer
Leslie Allison,Ebenezer,Farmer
Ronald William,Lower portland,farmer
William Edward,Ebenezer,Labourer.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 20:45

Right, so that info is all somewhere and not here, and I drove myself mad finding them, but nooo, I won't lecture.

What do you think of Aussie Allan Aubrey?

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 20:43

"Reading farther in that thread -- 99 Elgar was the address for brother James when he married? He married from the children's home?"

He did,in 1934 aged 20,correct age,born 1913,lied on his 2nd marriage though and knocked a few spots off his age.
Wonder who gave him permission to marry as he was under 21..

1901

Name: Anna Noble
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890


1881

Name: William Noble
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849


Thats the ones I make Annies parents,and as you know I started a seperate thread to get help to find them,and you lectured me at the time ,about doing so,so you dont need to again>;)

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 20:40

You don't suppose he decided to adopt a regular first name and go by that?

A Google came up with Ancestry results for Allan Aubrey Noble on NSW electoral rolls, 1936-1954. I can't view 'em.

6352/1938
NOBLE ALLAN AUBREY
PERRAM BESSIE JEAN
SYDNEY

That would be bang on about the right age -- and unfortunately born after 1909 so can't check NSW birth records.

Neither he nor she appears to have died there by 1979.

Ah, but deaths do show:

20553/1944
NOBLE ALLAN (STILLBORN)
father ALLAN AUBREY
mother BESSIE JEAN
RICHMOND

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 20:04

? Is this connection/info in here somewhere??

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47988

"Aubrey was living at 99 Elgar Road when he went to Katesgrove School from 1922 -1924. His name is on the admission register with his guardian being a Mrs McPherson."

"On this evidence, the McPHERSONs will have been the managers/superintendents of the Girls Shelter/Rescue Home for at least the period 1918 - 1935. That is why they appear as the guardians of the NOBLE children. It is highly unlikely that there is any blood relationship between them & the NOBLE children- it was just their job, acting as foster parents to abandoned & orphaned children."

Reading farther in that thread -- 99 Elgar was the address for brother James when he married? He married from the children's home?

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 19:58

I think I'm insulted. ;) Of course, merely being associated with those reprobates would do that!

I've checked Home Children to Canada (including by first name only), no joy. Australia is a tougher nut, no central records of Home Children arrivals that I know of (FMP outgoings would be the only source I think), and of course BMDs are state by state, as Canada is province by province, and similarly only half or so have records on line, and privacy laws would cover almost anything relevant (except possibly a death) anyway.

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 22 Jan 2010 19:51

Since there is nothing found for Aubrey Noble marriage,death I wonder if he became a home child and sent to Australia,Canada or elsewhere.

Of course he could have been informally adopted and had a name change

Janey how about Moonlightflit for your new board name.

Goes well with FagAshLil and FannyByGaslight

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 18:24

aubrey born 18/05/1917 at 34 highgrove st reading
reged on 11/08 1917 by edith thorn of 34 highgrove street [occupier]

In 1911, 34 Highgrove was occupied by a Smith family

SMITH JOSEPH HENRY 1880 31 Reading Berkshire
Sarah Amy, 31
Joseph Henry, 7
Millicent Ivy, 4
Evelyn May, 1

44 Elm Park (Edith in 1911) and 34 Highgrove are around a mile apart.

Uurgh, I already said that ...

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 17:59

Henry didn't like his name.


1881

Name: William Noble
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
>> Occupation: Porter (Fish)

Civil parish: Southwark St George Martyr

William Noble 32
Ellen Noble 28
John Noble 7
> Ellen Noble 5
William Noble 3
Margaret Noble 2

Marriages Mar 1873
McCarthy Ellen St Saviour 1d 205
Noble William St Saviour Southwark 1d 205


1901

Name: Anna Noble
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George The Martyr

William Noble 42 - general labourer
Ellen Noble 40
Margaret Noble 20 - fish skin puller (ewww)
Anna Noble 11 (it does say Anna) - born Southwark


Births Mar 1889 ?
Noble Annie St. Saviour 1d 38