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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 20 Nov 2008 19:57

edith mary[mistrans] virgo 1884 gloucester
vivienne

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 20 Nov 2008 19:58

Well ... trying to find her parents' marriage, how about:

Marriages Dec 1879
ARTUS Elizabeth Jane Chepstow 11a 19
? Coles Jessie Matilda Chepstow 11a 19
HORNIBLOW JAMES THORNELOW Chepstow 11a 19
? Virgo William Chepstow 11a 19

(only William Virgo in Monmouthshire 1870 to 1885, although that's just a guess at time and place)

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 20 Nov 2008 20:04

btw -- Virgo-s from Gloucester seem to have ended up in Wales in several cases.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 20 Nov 2008 20:19

re deb and roses posts
what of the edith paddock george thorn marriage
is that worth a £7 try i ask myself?
come this far so sending for it in a mo.
Going down every avenue i can
vivienne


Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 21 Nov 2008 06:12

Incase it helps. My grandmother was transcribed as Florence Mary on the birth index and her birth cert. She is Florence May.

The old writing seemed to have fooled them

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 28 Nov 2008 14:14

Got the edith paddock /george thorn m.c this morning.
there may well be a conection here girls and boys.
henry james nobles first marriage was to madeline lane whos father was albert lane
on ediths m.c one of the witnesses is
henry george lane who was born 1871 reading on freebmd and on ancestry there is albert and henry lane on 1891 together as brothers so whats the odds on this being the right edith thorn that reged aubreys birth??
vivienne

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 15 Mar 2009 21:40

I have just spent a few hours to find poss births for henry noble and madeline lanes union,bearing in mind they divorced and he remarried in the 40s.
only one poss

I "believe" that one of his offspring is in someones tree on here

sent a message to him and now to wait and see how it goes.
might get there for sure in the end

Edit
It is now July and still no reply from the man that owns the tree.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jul 2009 01:38

Hey Viv - a few days ago you told me to go google Aubrey Noble, and I finally got around to it but didn't see what you might have been referring to. (I did see a thread at british-genealogy from 3 or 4 years ago about the same person though!)

I looked up this thread and read through and was just wondering: with the 1911 out, has that helped any?


For starters, the family at 34 Highgrove in Reading were Smith, with no Edith, so the 1917 address doesn't help any.

(Not being a paying customer, I just started with given name starting with J, the most common, and hit Joseph Smith father and son on the first go.)

41 Russell, in 1911, is a Tucker family. And there's no one there with first initial E or A.

Messing around with Annie, Edith, Thorn, Noble ..., in Berkshire: nothing else interesting either.

There's no Annie Noble born 1888-1894, servant (or otherwise), in Berkshire; on the Welsh end, for servants, there is:

NOBLE ANNIE ROSALIND 1890 21 Cardiff Glamorganshire

for whom I don't see a likely birth -- well, except:

Births Jun 1890 (pre-census date birth registered after?)
Noble Annie Newport M 11a 221

-- yes, Annie Rosalind answers to a search for born in Monmouthshire, so she would be the one in Risca in 1901?


and there are these:

EDWARDS EDITH MARY 1888 23 Newport Monmouthshire

THORN JAMES THOMAS 1875 36 Newport Monmouthshire

(that apparently being the Edith Edwards née Virgo who married James T Thorn in 1911, with him then dying in WWI)

although that possible connection seems to have been superceded by later digging.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jul 2009 01:59

So I want to try to sort this out:

Marriages Jun 1915
Paddock Edith Thorn Reading 2c 1006
Thorn George Paddock Reading 2c 1006

Witness to marriage:

Births Dec 1871
*Lane* Henry George Reading 2c 360


Name: Henry J Noble (son of Annie, born 1913)
Spouse : Madeline N *Lane*
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1934
Registration district: Reading
Registration county (inferred): Berkshire

Madeline Lane was daughter of Albert.

But I don't see a Madeline Lane birth - ?

Now, in addition to the 1911, we also have the complete birth/marriage indexes at Ancestry now.

She remarried 1949 Reading? There is also one possible/likely-looking birth to that marriage.

The one you mention does seem to be the only likely Noble-Lane birth, but of course you oughtn't to have posted it here, tsk.


If I have the correct reading, one big question is: what became of Aubrey Noble? The main question is: who was Annie Thorn? but the answer to Aubrey could help?

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jul 2009 02:06

So here we have Edith Paddock in 1911:

PADDOCK EDITH 1890 21 Reading Berkshire

No other Paddocks in the household.

And here is George:

THORN GEORGE 1891 20 Reading Berkshire
THORN HARRIET 1848 63 Reading Berkshire
THORN CHARLES 1871 40 Reading Berkshire
THORN JOHN 1888 23 Reading Berkshire

And Henry George Lane:

LANE HENRY GEORGE 1872 39 Reading Berkshire
LANE REBECCA MAUDE 1874 37 Reading Berkshire

Marriages Dec 1898
HOPKINS Rebecca Maud Reading 2c 919
LANE Henry George Reading 2c 919

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Jul 2009 10:35

Re: Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Noble Henry J Noble Wokingham 2c 769

I don't see why the rego's in Wokingham when the birth's in Reading - maybe the declaration's got something to do with that.

I'm not at all familiar with these declarations. The owner or occupant of the house is a qualified informant - maybe not the registrar's first choice, but Annie's dead so that puts the mockers on that.

AllanC

AllanC Report 20 Jul 2009 12:46

mgnv

Declaration is a means of registering a birth without having to go to the register office for the district of the birth. Most councils have an explanation on their websites. This is from Kensington & Chelsea:

If it is not convenient for you to attend this office to register the birth of your child then you may go to any other Register Office in England or Wales to register by ‘Birth Declaration’. When you attend that Register Office then the Registrar who sees you will simply record the relevant information and act as an intermediary, passing the details to the Registrar at Chelsea by post. In this case, any birth certificates you require will be sent in the post.

So the birth must have been in Wokingham district even if the address was Reading; presumably it was easier to go to the Reading office (or any other) to register.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 20 Jul 2009 15:26

Annie wasnt dead when Henry James was registered.
This I believe is Annie on 1911,she is the only one that I can find to suit ,but of course I am most prob well wrong.

NOBLE, MR HENRY HEAD MARRIED M 62 FISH PORTER LONDON
NOBLE, MRS ELLEN WIFE MARRIED 36 F 58 LONDON
NOBLE, MISS ANNIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 22 LONDON
HOLLAND, MRS ELLEN DAUGHTER WIDOW F 35 LAUNDRY LONDON

NOBLE MISS ANNIE (RG14PN1763 RG78PN62 RD23 SD2 ED1 SN223)
Address 23 CHAPEL COURT BORO County London
District Southwark Subdistrict Kent Road
Enumeration District 1 Parish Southwark St George the Martyr

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 20 Jul 2009 15:30

Edith paddock/Thorn?

BROWN, GEORGE ALBERT HEAD MARRIED M 30 CARMAN CAVERSHAM OXON
BROWN, GERTRUDE EMILY WIFE MARRIED 8 F 29 HENLEY ON THAMES OXON
BROWN, BEATRICE MARGERET DAUGHTER F 5 READING BERKS
PADDOCK, EDITH BOARDER SINGLE F 21 READING BERKS

Address 44 ELM PARK ROAD READING County Berkshire
District Reading Subdistrict St Mary
Enumeration District 11 Parish Reading

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 20 Jul 2009 15:32

I cant stay long at the mo,busy ,busy,busy,will be back later.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 00:06

Took my time getting back,but better late than never I suppose.

Since the deaths on Ancestry have been transcribed I have searched on and off (sometimes a few hours at a time ) for the death of

Aubrey Noble born 18 / 5 /1917 but have never been able to find him.

He could be anywhere in this country ,or indeed any other country,or even still alive I guess.

Thought I would drop this off on my way to bed for any night owls who fancy having a try please.

thanks
viv
x

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 01:20

Is that who you are! I saw you jawing with FagAshLil and had no idea.

I'll have to come up with one that would let us call ourselves Three on a Match!



There's no birth for this death.

Name: Aubrey John Rideout
> Birth Date: 18 May 1917
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 8
Page: 1070

Chew on that!

Oh, well, don't swallow.

Births Jun 1917
Rideout John A Thurlby Nottingham 7b 571

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 22 Jan 2010 11:08

No find Im yet then,I will just have to keep at it,thank you for the attempt.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 17:45

Okay, those people in the 1911 - Henry and Ellen married 36 years, daughters Annie and Ellen.

Where might they be in 81, 91 and 01? Nowhere I can find. Where is their marriage? Where are the girls' births? Daughter Ellen married in 1900 in West Ham, that's all I see. And I don't see *her* on the 1901 (also checked the IY for husband ... maybe he's the married Irish soldier in 1901, could explain no death record). Son Bernard born Mar Q 1902 died in infancy Jun Q 1902, husband died - ? There just are no parents' marriage or daughters' births to match these people, and no sign of them in the censuses, nothing until 1911. Unless I'm totally blind.

I'm just thinking that this Annie may have been born with a different surname and used it "officially" after 1911.

Haven't read the whole thread - have you done this already? ;)

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Jan 2010 17:59

Henry didn't like his name.


1881

Name: William Noble
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England
>> Occupation: Porter (Fish)

Civil parish: Southwark St George Martyr

William Noble 32
Ellen Noble 28
John Noble 7
> Ellen Noble 5
William Noble 3
Margaret Noble 2

Marriages Mar 1873
McCarthy Ellen St Saviour 1d 205
Noble William St Saviour Southwark 1d 205


1901

Name: Anna Noble
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil parish: Southwark St George The Martyr

William Noble 42 - general labourer
Ellen Noble 40
Margaret Noble 20 - fish skin puller (ewww)
Anna Noble 11 (it does say Anna) - born Southwark


Births Mar 1889 ?
Noble Annie St. Saviour 1d 38