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EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 5 May 2009 14:40

Oops, sorry, I always delete the bumph when I copy and paste from FreeBMD -- "(>99%)" -- and I deleted the year. ;)

Deaths Mar 1976
Hagley Sidney Thanet 16 2435

(then I looked at the image for the birthdate)

By some stroke of luck, this 1976 death has been transcribed.

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 7 May 2009 19:00

Not only has it been transcribed I think the transcriber is the Richard who has Sidney on here. Just sent him a PM.

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 7 May 2009 19:52

WOW

have just read this thread for the first time Sherlock Holmes eat your heart out, skeletons won't stay in closets long when Evie gets on the case. Well done.

Jackie

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 7 May 2009 21:27

Evie isn't on the boards at the moment but maybe she'll be tempted back as the story hots up........

Janet that is exciting! Lets hope you get a quick response.

Julie

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 7 May 2009 22:19

Well I'm hoping too but he hasn't opened his PM yet.

From looking at the census it appears that Thomas Hagley was quite a bit older than Alice. She would only have been 17ish when Sidney was born but Thomas was about 33. They also married the same quarter as Sidney was born.

I can only guess that it may have been a shotgun wedding or Thomas felt sorry for her and married her and took on Sidney as his own.

I wish I had a time machine!

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 7 May 2009 23:45

Possibly Thomas Hagley in 1901? The only one on Ancestry born Exeter living London:


1901 England Census
about Thos Hagley
Name: Thos Hagley
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Notting Hill
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 240
Household Members:
Name Age
David W Hillebrand 37 Baker born Germany (foreign embassy)
Violet Hillebrand 37 born norfolk
Thos Hagley 26 Baker bread

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 May 2009 17:27

Oh, that Evie, quite the reputation. ;)

I got nuthin to contribute at this point, but wanted to make my mark so I'll see when something crops up -- like a reply from the Hagley relation!

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 8 May 2009 20:08

Goodness knows where Alice is in 1911.
Anyone got credits and care to have a look at this one?
The only Alice May Wood of about the right age in London:

HOUSEHOLD WOOD ALICE MAY F 1890 21 Fulham London

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 May 2009 20:40

Meanwhile, have we looked at brother Tracey in 1911? I lost the train of thought a bit ...


QUANTICK TRADY 1883 28 Wandsworth London
QUANTICK ELIZABETH 1883 28 Wandsworth London
(Lizzie Lane from the marriage)
QUANTICK FREDERICK 1906 5 Wandsworth London
QUANTICK ESTTELA 1908 3 Wandsworth London
QUANTICK WALTER 1909 2 Wandsworth London
QUANTICK IVY 1911 0 Wandsworth London

plus the post-1911 Hilda and Frederick. ... Two Fredericks? Hmm, the second was born in 1929, so not likely the same lot.

Some of them would have been mature when Alice died. There could be family lore.

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 8 May 2009 20:48

Haven't got time to cut & paste right now(I'm just sneaking a look in) but searching on Quantick Wandsworth in 1911 also brings up Tracey's parents and a mini Tracey.

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 8 May 2009 21:57

I've heard back from Richard saying he thinks they are one and the same Sidney and giving me access to his tree but It is quite large and He isn't a direct descendant of Sidney. Anyway I've asked him a few questions and awaiting his reply.

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 10 May 2009 23:18

Adding info in case it bears fruit later. Further to Janey's post for 1911 census - Tracey's children as per the WW1 pension records:

Elizabeth Estella b. 19.8.07 Battersea
Walter Kingsley b. 17.10.09 _______? (Can't make it out)
Ivy May b. 31.3.11 Wandsworth
Hilda Adelaide b. 1.10.13 Southwark

and this one added later in the record:

Frederick Charles b. 20.4.06 (illegitimate)

Just looked for him on FreeBMD. Maybe this one:

Lane Frederick Charles Q Leicester 7a 188

{ Edit -and just to confuse the issue-I later found this one

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quantick Frederick C Leicester 7a 29 }


Leicester???

Just had another look at the pension records and I think Walter Kingsley was also born in Leicester.

Probably not relevant overall but interesting!

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 10 May 2009 23:35

This looks like Alice May/Tracey's parents in 1911

QUANTICK ALICE F 1873 38 Wandsworth
QUANTICK EDWARD CHARLES M 1905 6 Wandsworth
QUANTICK JOSEPH RICHMOND TRACEY M 1909 2 Wandsworth
QUANTICK WILLIAM JOHN M 1868 43 Wandsworth
QUANTICK WILLIAM JOHN M 1897 14 Wandsworth

Alice's age is prob more like 42 as it was 32 in the 1901 census & the above children could be brothers of Alice May/Tracey

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 10 May 2009 23:40

And the second Frederick C that Janey mentioned was also born in Leicester..........................but in 1929:

Births Sep 1929 (>99%)
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Quantick Frederick C Lane Leicester 7a 308

EDIT I belive this is the same Frederick Charles who was initially registered as Frederick C Lane in 1906. In 1929 he was then reregistered as Quantick and appears as a handwritten entry in the 1906 register.

It just goes to show that not everything is as it appears in the records and you have to dig deeper!

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 10 May 2009 23:49

Just noticed that the twins Edwin and Charles brothers of Alice May/Tracey in 1901 are not there in 1911. Sadly it looks like they both died:

Quantick Edwin James 2 Lambeth 1d 286
Quantick Frederick Charles 2 Lambeth 1d 286

Another bit of the family story if it has been passed down.

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 11 May 2009 00:49

Ref the reregistration of Frederick's birth.
I think I've found another Quantick anomaly.

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

QUANTICK Joseph R Wandsworth 1d ?
Quantick Joseph R J Wandsworth 1d ?
Quantick Joseph R J Wandsworth 1d M/23


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quantick Joseph R T Tracey Wandsworth 1d 1297



This appears to be a reregistration of Joseph Richmond Traceys birth.

He appears in 1911 aged 2.

The registration page in 1909 has his birth as a handwritten entry and a ref to 1923. But the entry in 1923 makes no reference to the fact that it's a late registration. How confusing!

Wonder if his mother was not actually Alice senior??

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 May 2009 01:04

Okay ... question is ... in the 1923 registration, "Tracey" is the mother's surname.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. How many Quanticks married Traceys??

Per FreeBMD, only the one of each: Alice's parents, in 1887.

No other Quantick-Tracey births.

Clicking on the spectacles for the 1909 entry, it says:

"This entry appears to be a late entry however the entry referred to cannot be found, either because it is not identical to this entry or because it has not yet been transcribed."

At the time, probably not yet transcribed.

Did he register his own birth, and not know his mother's surname? Or want to conceal that his mother wasn't married?
- edit - of course not, he would have been 14 ...

There were only two Joseph Rs registered in Wandsworth in 1909:

Births Mar 1909
Donovan Joseph Richard Wandsworth 1d 771
Knight Joseph Robert Wandsworth 1d 563


Where's this Joseph at in 1911, do we know??
- edit - duh:

QUANTICK JOSEPH RICHMOND TRACEY M 1909 2 Wandsworth London

But why??

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 11 May 2009 01:05

Possibly Joseph's son?


Births Dec 1934 (98%)
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Quantick Joseph R Allwinkle Stepney 1c 196

Appears to have died the same year & same qtr as Alice senior:

Deaths Dec 1934 (97%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quantick Alice 70 Stepney 1c 227
Quantick Joseph R 0 Stepney 1c 199

Any further children of the Quantick/Allwinkle relationship may be still living and know *a story*.

Time for bed so I'll leave it for the 'nightworkers' to find any other children!

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 11 May 2009 01:10

Janey - if you click on the specs and scroll down you can open the image and see that there is a handwritten entry with a ref to 1923.
Over to you -I'm off to bed!
Night
Julie

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 May 2009 01:10

There are 3 other Quantick-Allwinkle children (I'm not posting them because they may still be living).

No death 1984-2005 for the one other male child.


Re the specs -- yes, that's what I did -- the M/23 entry. There just doesn't seem to be any explanation for him not being registered at the time!