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tips or ideas re change of name?

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LakesLass Report 22 May 2009 22:00

Hi all just read this with interest.
My grandfather changed his surname and middle name - kept christian name - due to (the best of family knowledge) a dispute with his younger brother. When he joined up in 1915 he used his 'new middle initial and surname, and also the same when he married. Hence his father has the incorrect surname on marriage cert! My nan didn't know of all this until after they were married and so her 2 eldest daughters were given my grandads original surname as their middle names. We think she was trying to ensure the girsl weren't considered illegitimate or something.
When my grandad retired both my dad and an uncle had to sign papers saying that they had known him as xxx for so many years so grandad could get his pension.
Funny lot families aren't they!


lainie39 Report 23 May 2009 11:24

Aren't they just!!!

I dont quite know the best way to get any further on this - I have searched for a marriage between Samuel and Eliza, but with them BOTH seeming to use different names it is increasingly difficult [if, of course, they married at all?]

I suppose I should get in touch with the only living relative and [not tell her that i think her grandmother was illegitimate] but ask her who would have any original marriage certs and birth certs for this lot. [that is a jolly good idea, in fact - someone MUST have them!!]

thanks - you have just helped me focus and see another possible way!!



lainie39 Report 23 May 2009 14:05

oh dear - just telephoned my great aunt and she has no other original certs and she knows of no one who may have


lainie39 Report 28 Jun 2009 19:53

Hi All,

Some 2 months later - I have a lead on the Samuel Sneath prisoner in 1851.

I had not luck with the email address which Val found for me through googling his name - the mail kept being returned to me. I posted messages on the website appealling for anyone with any knowledge of how to get in touch with them to get in touch - nothing.

Whilst searching the site I happened upon someone who claimed to know these people in one of her postings. I emailed and no response.

I tried again today - before I deleted her from my sent emails box - AND GOT A REPLY!!!

She says that yes she does know these people and I am awaiting some response to my explainations as to why I would like to get in touch with them.

Will keep you posted - morale of this stroy - never give up!!!



mgnv Report 29 Jun 2009 01:12

Hi again Elaine - yeah, that sort of stuff happens.

Back on 14/4/09, I posted re my gg gran - well, I found a tree containing her sister (at least I think so), and I contacted the tree owner abt 1 y ago - I don't recall when, and I've lost my email via a disk crash 8 m back. Anyway, I got a reply last week - he'd laid off genealogy for a while - so I sent him some scans, and he sent back my gg gran's bro-in-law's d.cert. He'll be buying the sister's d.cert this week, so I'll have confirmation of the siblingship as it's a Scottish d.rego. The sister is my correspondent's ggg gran.

Just goes to show s**t isn't the only thing that floats to the top.

Good luck with your contact.


AuntySherlock Report 29 Jun 2009 01:51

That is great news. Keep us informed about your progress.


lainie39 Report 8 Jul 2009 20:55

After having received an initial reply - on 28/6/09 - I have heard nothing!!! I was told that Sally would see if one of "her "cousin" contacts can help you. Pat was one line and I was another. I don't think Snead was in mine. I will see if I can find someone to help you."

I have pointed out that the name was Sneath and NOT Snead and I have heard nothing since. Will update you all if I get an update!!


Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 9 Jul 2009 19:25

Just wondered if you had checked this out or if it might have already been covered, the age adds up

Deaths Sep 1918
Sneath Samuel 77 Basford 7b 171

Not that this is any help but is this Samuel dad, mum and brother in 1881

Samuel SNEATH Head M Male 66 Norwich Formerly General Dealer
Margaret SNEATH Wife M Female 60 Norwich
Joshua SNEATH Son U Male 23 Norwich Boot Clicker

Dwelling 2 Gun Lane
Census Place Norwich St Stephen, Norfolk, England
Family History Library Film 1341469
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1947 / 71
Page Number 5


lainie39 Report 9 Jul 2009 21:05

Hi Selena,

Nice to have you back on board. We have missed you!!!! I hope that everything is well with you and yours!!!

The numbers dont add up!!! the family below are MY Samuel Sneath's father mother and brother but he was born in c1846 - so the death would make him 72 - but I suppose we have to make room for human error when reporting the death!!!


ps/ what IS a boot clicker?


lainie39 Report 9 Jul 2009 21:11

General update - having emailed Sally again I have today received the following reply

" I contacted Pat. I forwarded all your emails to her. She did email me saying she would not be of any help. I told her to email you. If she did not I am sorry."

Needless to say - I have heard nothing from Pat - if I do I will let you know!! Which lead me to wonder - why would you put on a website 'email for further details' if you have no further details??? Is this just me who is reading this wrongly - or what?


Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 10 Jul 2009 20:21

Hi Elaine, its nice to be back albeit only infrequently. Everybody is doing okay at the moment.

I think the death is probably one of the other Samuel's born c1841. Shame. I was trying a sideways angle and looked for a marriage or death for Joshua the brother but nothing. Maybe Joshua went abroad. Only found this

Births Mar 1888
SNEATH Joshua Samuel Norwich 4b 165

This might be Samuel and Joshua's parents

Deaths Dec 1882 SNEATH Margaret 61 Norwich 4b 96

Deaths Jun 1881 Sneath Samuel 66 Norwich 4b 87

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 10 Jul 2009 20:30

How about this for Joshua?

Birth: 11 OCT 1857
Christening: 10 FEB 1858 Saint Peter Mancroft, Norwich, Norfolk, England

Deaths Sep 1907
SNEATH Christopher J 49 Norwich 4b 84


lainie39 Report 11 Jul 2009 17:43

Hi Selena,

Thanks for that. I did find the 'Christopher Joshua' who was brother to Samuel [the name changer] but he was the 1857 one. He is listed as Joshua in the census but was christened Christopher - it would seem.

From your findings there was another Joshua Sneath in 1888.

This family love using the same names - I have received the marriage cert of Samuel and Margaret [below] and Samuel's father is called Samuel also!!!

So that is Samuel the grandfather, Samuel the father and Samuel the son!!!! No wonder we get confused when looking for our families!


Netty Report 2 Aug 2009 18:45

Hi Elaine, you may already have this info by now but, just in case you haven't, Samuel Sneath was imprisoned for 12 months on15th day October 1850, his crime was "Larceny from the Parson". If you would like the image of the entry in the Criminal register pm me your email address and i will gladly send it to you.


lainie39 Report 8 Aug 2009 15:29

Hi Nette,

Looks like you retrieved the information you kindly sent to me, just in time!!! I was telling a work colleague about your source and apparently the records have 'vanished' [I have no access so I cant check it out]

You must have been sent by a guardian angel to help me get the info!!!! lol

Elaine x


Netty Report 9 Aug 2009 14:52

Hi Elaine, just checked for you and the information is still there, image too, not really sure why your colleague can't see it !.


lainie39 Report 9 Aug 2009 19:15

Hi Netty,

I will let her know!!! She too wanted to have a look and said that it was there but it had now been taken off!!!

I will tell her tomorrow!