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Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 10 May 2009 23:31

They will phone you when it arrives and you then have a month to view it at the centre. You can extend this period for a small sum, if no-one else has ordered the film. A film can take anything from two weeks to six months to arrive - it just depends on who else in the world is wanting to look at it.

The fee is for the hire of the film. You can then take photocopies of the entries - usually 10p, or if you ask nicely, some centres will allow you to take a digital photo (in which case, offer a small donation - the centres are free and are funded solely from donations).

I usually have the film for 3 months and extract EVERYTHING I think will be remotely useful - all instances of the same surname etc. In fact I have one film on permanent loan.

A list of all LDS Family History Centres is on their website - family search, as before.

If an IGI search still gives you no results, switch to All Resources search page. This (surprisingly) often picks up EXTRACTED records that didn’t appear in the IGI search.

There are more advanced ways of searching, but this is intended to help those who have never used the IGI before.


Using the afore-mentioned as a guide, the same search format can be applied to Marriages.

These tips may work for you :

If your search gives a batch number you can also try searching with the number one above or one below that number - sometimes +/-2 or three, also.
You can also try the same batch number with the letter altered -for example, if you have C000000 then try M000000 for Marriages.

If you have a whole page of names, dates, places - if you use Control F you can type a name, date or place etc in the search box and quickly go through the page/s rather than having to trawl through every single name. Works in lots of other places as well.

With Batch Numbers :

C = Christenings
M = Marriages
P = Parent Search but comes up with baptisms if you are looking for the children of Parents, rather than for one individual baptism record.


The 1881 census is free online in the LDS site

The National Archives have a website - google for 1901 census and save to your Favourites. The web address should read This will give you a limited Free Name Search facility for the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1891 and 1901 census returns. However if you want to view the images you will have to pay - payment options are to buy a Voucher usually valid for six months, or set up a credit card account. I have found doing a limited Free Name Search alone provides enough clues to avoid having to pay to view an image.

LDS centres for anyone in Wales:

Cardiff Heol-Y-Deri, Rhiwbina, Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Phone: 02920-625342 Hours: M-Th 10am-4pm; T, Th 7pm-9pm

Chester Aled House, Lakeside Business Village, Flintshire, Merseyside Phone: 01244 538356 Hours: M, Th 10am-3pm; T, F 10am-12.30pm

Cwmbran Lds Chapel, The Highway, Croesceiliog, Gwent, Phone: 01633-483-856

Gaerwen Holyhead Road, Gaerwen, Anglesey, Phone: 01248-421-894 Hours: T 10am-2pm.

Merthyr Tydfil Nanty Gwenith Street, George Town, Mid Glamorgan, Merthyr, Phone: 01685-722455 Hours: M-Th 2pm-5.30pm; T-Th 6pm-9pm; F 6.30pm-9pm.

Newcastle Emlyn Cardigan Road, Newcastle Emlyn, Dyfed, Phone: 01239-711472 Hours: W 10am-1pm; T, W 6.30pm-9pm

Rhyl 171 Vale Road, Denbighshire, Phone: 01745-331172 Hours: W, Th 10am-3pm; W 7pm-9pm alternate Wednesdays

Swansea Cockett Road, Swansea, West Glamorgan, Phone: 01792-585792 Hours: T 9.30am-3.30pm; W 6.30pm-9pm.


Apparently, if you use Hugh Wallis Batch Numbers, you get a different result from going directly to the IGI and using the same batch number. After puzzling over this for ages, I realised that with Hugh Wallis, you get a NET result. With the IGI you get a FULL result.

Used Hugh Wallis batch number to find all Greens born. Got a result of 47.
On another occasion, went direct to IGI, used the same batch number and search criteria - got a result of 60.

The difference was that the IGI results showed deaths of some of the children born, and also entered alternative spellings or names for these children. Useful for killing off, rather than hunting for years only to discover that your quarry died shortly after birth.

Hugh Wallis only gives you Parish Register Extractions - you use the Batch Number given to the Parish Register by the IGI. So, as there are no submitted entries on a Parish Register, you won't get them whichever method you use.

in addition to some old records not surviving to be filmed for inclusion in the IGI, some churches did not allow the LDS to film their records.

All of the above was contributed by another GR Member.

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 10 May 2009 23:26

If you are new to researching and/or to the IGI, please bear the following in mind.

IGI: International Genealogical Index
found on:

It is a database of mostly baptisms and marriage records put together by the Latter Day Saints church. It covers parishes all over the country, but it's really important to remember that some places are VERY well covered by the Index whilst other places do not appear.

There are broadly two sorts of records on the IGI. These are EXTRACTED records and SUBMITTED records. One or other of these words will appear on the record you are looking at, usually at the bottom.

EXTRACTED records are taken from a particular Parish Register, or other official source. They are as likely to be subject to errors of transcriptions, mistakes, typos etc as any other transcribed record anywhere. Check the ORIGINAL Parish Register for confirmation and often for additional information - Vicars marginal notes are rarely transcribed and can often be very revealing. To access the part of the IGI which shows ONLY transcribed records, go in through the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch Numbers site - google it.

SUBMITTED records are a free for all - anyone can submit anything to the IGI for inclusion. Nobody checks it. These records range from absolutely accurate (very rare, in my experience) right down to sheer fantasy, and in a few cases, malice. If looking at submitted records ask yourself - does it give dates and places? If it doesn't, it’s worthless, forget it and do your research some other way. If it does give dates and places, then check EACH and every fact as you go along. You only need to accept one fact which is incorrect, for your whole tree to be rubbish.

For example this is a member submitted entry :

Charles Smith
Birth: Oakley, Bedford, England
Burial: 12 JUL 1776
Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.
Source Information:
Film Number: 183456
Page Number: 708
Reference number: 21988

Try this Search as an “exercise”:

We are going to look for the baptism of JAMES TRAFFORD.

I know from various census, that he was born between 1803 and 1809, in Gawsworth, Cheshire.

Go to

On the home page, click on Advanced Search (next to the search form on the home page), or the yellow search tab at the top of the page, (ignore the search form on the first page).

A new screen appears. You will see Pedigree, Census, All Resources, and International Genealogical Index, on the left hand side. Click on International Genealogical Index.

A new screen appears with a search form.


(First name) James
(Surname) Trafford
(Event) Birth/baptism
(Year) 1807 plus or minus 5 years.
(Region) British Isles
(Country) England
(County) Cheshire.

Press search.

This gives three results - I ignore the first two as they are SUBMITTED records.

The third result is an EXTRACTION and gives me his baptism date and also the names of his parents - Thomas and Margaret Trafford, and a batch number P009421. You will also see the words Pedigree and Family; these are links to a new screen, which will show the ancestral chart for James Trafford (which may or may not be completed in full).

Click on the batch number P009421. A new screen opens, with a new search form.

I enter

(No first name)
Surname Trafford
Father's name Thomas Trafford.

(I do not enter the mother's name, because I know that she switches between Peggy and Margaret)

Click Search. This brings up the names of ten children.

I then order the parish register from the LDS and when it arrives, I check these baptisms. There are a few, small mistakes in the dates, but the parish register also contains their birth dates, and the fact that Thomas and Peggy/Margaret, are of 'Goose Tree Farm', which is confirmation that all ten children have the same parents.

To order a Parish Register film to view, you need to visit your nearest LDS centre in person because you have to pay for the film up front, understandably - varies between £2.50-£3. Phone first.