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Tip of the day...Adoption records

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Jonesey

Jonesey Report 4 Jul 2012 07:16

Sadly not all reunions work out as people would wish:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2168418/Losing-boy-destroyed-Finding-life-WORSE.html

Diamonds-R-A-Girls-Best-Friend

Diamonds-R-A-Girls-Best-Friend Report 4 Jul 2012 22:09

What a sad situation for mother and son.

shana

shana Report 8 Jul 2012 15:09

hi to you all
on yhe subject of adoption now birth relatives can ask for contact wiyh a adoptee but only where the adoptee agrees to contact

shana

shana Report 8 Jul 2012 15:20

hi patricia
if you send for a birth certificate of that person ,you will know if he is adopted in the last box along where the birth information is given the word adoption will be written nobody else is allowed to give the information to if he is or not adopted

Lesley

Lesley Report 12 Jul 2012 17:13

I have met someone recently who I could never find a birth cert for. Indeed he was adopted as I had guessed -he gave me his birth name and date of birth, but is not interested in tracing his family I did look for the record and could find none.

Should there still be one for birth, it was in 1950.

shana

shana Report 13 Jul 2012 17:24

hi lesley yes there should be one for birth if it doesnt come up for the area you are putting in leave the area open if that doesnt work try putting the year 1950 give or take 4 years if by the time you have done give or take ten years it doesnt come up check the spellings good luck

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 9 Aug 2012 20:30

I am 99 % sure my mother had another child after me she could have used 3 names to register it if she did !!! we are talking 1944/50s and I belive she left in in the hosital after giving birth of course it could have died but I don't know how to start a search on this one Jennu

neil

neil Report 11 Aug 2012 18:01

Hi Jonesey

I know that my husbands Grandfather was adopted from Jersey by an uncle and aunt in 1890 or there about. He was born in 1879 and died in 1967 in Wolverhampton. Have you got any suggestions how i find out any more information please.
Rita

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 12 Aug 2012 17:52

Rita,

As adoption was only formalised in 1927 obviously no formal records will exist. You say that this happened about 1890. Have you looked for him on the 1891 and 1901 UK census records to see if you can pin that down? Have you seen your husband's grandfather's marriage certificate to see what, if anything is shown about his father?

I am afraid that my knowledge of procedures and records regarding Jersey is woefully lacking but there is a Genes Reunited member, Jerseylily who often helps out with matters relating to Jersey. May I suggest that you contact her in the hope that she may be able to assist you. A link to her thread is shown below:

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1120035

Good luck

neil

neil Report 14 Aug 2012 22:39

Thank you for your help Jonesey

On the marriage certificate it said that Williams father was called Henry, and that he was deceased. His occupation had been a labourer. Thanks for the link i will try
Jerseylily.

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 30 Aug 2012 21:37

Jonesey,

Heres a mystery for you.

I have a friend from when were 2/12 yrs old.

She has just looked for her bith(1947) on differnt sites and can't find it anywhere

She now thinks she may have been adopted but her adopted parents must have destroyed all the paper work as when her Dad died there was very little paperwork to go through.

She now knows that her (adopted) parents had a little boy in April 1947 but he died and she was born October 1947.

Do you know where she could go to find out the info she needs as this not finding her birth details has really upset her as she thought her parents were her birth parents.


Sue

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 31 Aug 2012 10:04

Sue,

Is your friend is 100% sure that the child whose birth was registered in April 1947 was the natural child of the couple who she now believes were her adoptive parents? A copy of that child's birth and death certificates should contain sufficient information to prove or disprove that.

If proven then obviously if she was born in October of the same year she is obviously the child of a different mother.

I am no expert so I would suggest that she contacts Norcap (http://www.norcap.org.uk or Tel 01865 875000) who should be able to advise her of the best course of action to take to try to discover her true parentage.

Good luck.

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 31 Aug 2012 11:37

Hi Jonesey,

Yes she is 100% positive that the details on the birth and death certs(she sent for both certs) for the baby born April 1947 are her adopted parents

I will ask her to get in touch with Norcap.
Thanks
Jonesey for all your help.

Sue

irene

irene Report 1 Oct 2012 16:06

Can anyone help me please?? for years we have been trying to trace my friends birthmother. Mary Dolan!! . she gave her up for adoption in 1936. We have the hospital she was born and the address where she lived but no fathers name.We have been down all the routes of finding her but still no trace. Has anyone got any suggestions please ?

many thanks Irenex

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 2 Oct 2012 11:39

Irene,

Unfortunately attitudes towards unmarried mothers were very different back then than what they are today so young ladies who found themselves in that position either went or were sent well away from their family home to have their child.

With the mother's surname being Dolan there is a strong possibility that she was either Irish or of Irish extraction.

When you say that you have the address where she lived I am assuming that this was what was given as the mothers usual address indicated on your friends birth certificate. Have you investigated that address to determine whether it was a family home or a lodging house at the time of your friends birth? If it was the former look into the people who owned the house to see whether or not they might be related to the mother. Unfortunately if it was the latter then the chances are that it may simply have been the place the mother was temporarily staying in during the latter stages of her pregnancy whilst she awaited the birth.

Is any occupation shown for the mother? If there is and it was an unusual occupation then look at things such as Kelly's directories to see whether there were any businesses nearby that might have employed someone with those skills.

You have probably already done this but if not, look for Mary Dolan marriages taking place within the general area in the few years following the birth.

Good luck.

Christine

Christine Report 2 Oct 2012 23:13

I worked with a lady back in the eighties who had adopted a son. She and her husband had two very great friends who wanted to adopt but were judged to be too old. This lady and her husband therefore adopted the child themselves and then handed him over to the other couple to bring up! I don't quite know how they managed with follow-up visits etc - although they lived very close by and acted as "aunt and uncle".

What a nightmare though for the child when he wants to know who he is!

irene

irene Report 3 Oct 2012 18:15

Hi Jonesey thank you very much for your reply.. As you quite rightly guessed, Mary Dolan was a young Irish girl, The birth certificate states that she was a domestic servant of 34 Brondesbury rd Kilburn.It was quite a nice 3 storey house! The thought is that maybe somebody in the house was the father but we dont know, its just a thought. We have been unable as yet to get hold of the adoption files but we do have the adoption certificate. It is so frustrating, but when I see all of the success stories on Genes reunited I still feel there is hope for my friend Maureen to find out about her birth Mother

Michael

Michael Report 4 Oct 2012 18:19

Dear Jonsey
I read your message and tip and found it most interesting. I wounder if yu can possibley help me by pointing me in the right Diirection.

I was born in Wales and my real father left around the time I was 3 or so, My mother remarried and as far as I ca tell her new husband adopted me in Torquay where we were living at the time.
Life being Life I find myself an older person and looking back on my life I realise sadly that really I was not wanted and probably adopted to save face. Anyway that being in the past I continue to think about my real father and the family I never did and probably never will know.
I was told sometime ago that my real father died in England around the London area but am not sure. I joined this site and managed to find the marraige record for my Real Father and Mother, I was able to find his name but on thn looking elsewhere was unable to take that match forward. Is there any goverment agency that I can contact to try and get my adoption records and then hopefully progress from there. I wish no harm or hurt to anybody and would only proceed without any disturbances to their lives. I hope you can point me in the right direction as I think about what I dont know continually.

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 5 Oct 2012 09:43

Michael,

Several points:

You comment that you believe that you were not wanted which is quite a statement to make. Neither the fact that your birth parents divorced or that your mother's new husband adopted you indicates that to me, admittedly as an outsider.

It is quite common where a young child is involved for them to be formally adopted by a step parent. If your mother's new husband formally adopted you then your birth surname would be changed to the surname of your step father. If formally adopted after 1927 then records probably exist and as the adoptee you are entitled to access them. Might I suggest that you consider purchasing the SFFC action pack from:

http://www.norcap.org.uk/sffc_action_pack.php

which will instruct and guide you through the process of accessing your adoption file.

With regard to discovering more about your natural father. You say that you discovered the marriage record of your birth parents. If you do not already have it, obtain a copy of their marriage certificate which hopefully will give you more information about your father such as his age and his occupation at marriage. It may also name his father and indicate his occupation. Even the marriage witnesses names can be helpful. All that information may help you to positively identify your fathers birth date and family. With that knowledge it may be possible for you to follow his life forward from the time he and your mother parted.

I am pleased to note that you display a considerate approach regarding not wishing to cause any disturbance to others and I wish you well in your quest.

Good luck.

Holt

Holt Report 1 Nov 2012 02:33

:-)