Genealogy Chat

It was hard work Jackie, dealing with so many uncertainties, but I hope we got there, and am really delighted that Alan has a contact.

Makes it all worthwhile.

Happy Christmas to you too, and everyone else who helped.

Hi Alan.
So glad that you have last found Patricia. Please let us know what happens. It's good to know that so many people on here are willing to help each other.
Merry christmas to you and everyone else who reads these boards.

Jackie x

Hi Alan

Oh boy, am I so thrilled to hear this Alan. It makes all our combined efforts worthwhile. I was PRAYING that it would lead somewhere.

This must be the best Christmas present I am going to get. I am so delighted for you.

Yes, please tell us what transpires. I for one am wanting to know everything there is to know.

Best wishes and Happy Christmas

Margaret

Hi Alan,

That's great news.

Chris

Wow Alan, that is good news. I too have been following your thread after an initial input at the beginning, and what a lovely Christmas pressie for you both.

Wow, Alan! Fantastic after all this time. I know it's only been a month, but what a lot of delving by a lot of people including yourself.

What a happy Christmas it will be.

Ozi

P.S. I have followed this thread all along but had no info to add.

Hi,To all you lovely people who's been helping my wife and I find Patricia, GOOD NEWS, received reply from Anthony Heasman who's confirmed he is the cousin to the late Peter P. Heasman who married Patricia E. P. Stewart, he is in regular contact with Patricia who lives in Ayr, Scotland, he as forwarded a copy of my letter to Patricia and also given me a contact e-mail address.
We would like to say thanks again for all the help and time you all have spent in finding Patricia and will keep you updated and wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Jean has come back with an address for that family. I will PM Alan.

So who is M Guggenhiem? EDIT, I already know she is Marguerita, aka Peggy.

Margaret

Hi, Jackie, Pretty sure that Doris was Peggy's children's nanny, checked back on postcards sent by Doris, one was addressed to a Mrs. M. Guggenheim, we also have some photo's which we believe are Peggy's children.
Peggy also wrote her autobiography, going to check it out at the library.

Great job Jackie!

Pegeen and Sinbad Vail are Peggy's children.

Just Google Peegen and Guggenheim. Lot's of links.

http://www.guggenheim-venice.it/inglese/collections/artisti/pegeen_bio.html

Rose

Hi Alan.
Going back to Doris Marie Cooper,
Just been reading through this thread and remembered a book about Peggy Guggenheim

If you search
http://books.google.com/books
for the book -
Mistress of modernism: the life of Peggy Guggenheim By Mary V. Dearborn.
On page 102 there is a mention of her children's nanny named Doris who was married at Christmas time 1933.
Could this be Doris Marie Cooper??

Jackie

Hi Madmeg,

I believe it's Jean who does the electoral look ups.

Chris

Well how come I never spotted that Rose? It's Sept 1959, Peter and Patricia came to England in April, just nice timing to give birth - and I notice that Doris visits England at the beginning of 1960 perhaps to see her new grandson. Unfortunately, there are a lot of David Heasman's about and none called David S marrying.

But while I was checking this out, I spotted another Heasman/Stewart birth - and no marriages thereabouts. Alexandra Beverley Heasman, Dec 1967, Camberwell. There is a marriage for her (possibly) to Peter J Sheppard, Eastbourne, Nov 1990. And an electoral roll entry in 2002, though the husband appears to be with a different wife in 2005.

Can someone remind me about the lady who does electoral roll look-ups?

What do people think about the birth of David S Heasman in 1959? Bromley is very close to Purley and there's no marriage around then for a Heasman to a Stewart.

Rose

Good of you to keep us informed Alan. I hope you get a reply.

Doris may well have been the companion of Peggy Guggenheim, she was a very wealthy lady. Was she ever mentioned in any letters from Doris? Or were any other names mentioned?

I am still concerned as to how she is related to your wife.

I emailed the Royal Society of Engineers, but they have no John Cooper that fits (all too young). I wonder if the Civil Service has any records?

Leave no stone unturned.

Margaret

Not yet had a reply from my letter to A.B.Heasman, fingers crossed still hoping he will reply. Now begining to wonder if Doris was Peggy Guggenheim's companion when she was travelling around Europe.

Well folks, I suffered mega viruses and trojans last night whilst researching this lot. I thought I had sent a reply, but it ain't here.

Alan has sent me a copy of the marriage certificate. The witnesses are:

Marguerite Guggenheim
Marguerite Deutschbein
Michael Waldman
Sinbad Vail
Pegeen Vail

Marguerita Guggenheim was married to Laurence Vail but retained her maiden name as she was indeed the Peggy Guggenheim of musuem fame. Sinbad was only 12 years old, Pegeen 8. Marguerita Deutschbein was a friend of Peggy Guggenheim and was also known as Peggy, and she married Michael Waldman who is famous for turning down the opportunity to publish JRR Tolkien's Lord of The Rings because he said it was too big. There is plenty of stuff available on the internet about this lot, but ne'er a mention of a Doris Marie.

Doris Marie's father is plain John Cooper, Mechanical Engineer (Civil Service), and deceased, whereas Isaac John Cooper was not deceased and was a "Holier Ungerground" in 1911. On Isaac's marriage he uses the name Isaac (without the John).

On Doris's marriage she is living at 12 Woburn Square, London, which I know means little.

Alan has written to Anthony B Heasman - let us hope it leads to something.

There is a Marguerite David born Swansea 1893 with mother Louise David born France, in 1911.

Rose, you are more enterprising than me.

Marguerite married Milton S Waldman. An alternative surname of David is given for her. Suggesting she was previous married? David could be a Welsh surname.

Rose, I found Pegeen Mair too, in deaths 1991. Can't find a birth with that name. or a marriage of a Pegeen Somebody to a Mair. Brighton cemeteries would be my next port of call.