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Birth Certificates UPDATE

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Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 16 Jan 2010 21:33

Sorry to hear Marion is having family problems. Best wishes to her

Has anyone looked for Mary Jane's death to see what her age is ?

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 16 Jan 2010 21:34

Yep, I should have known this. I had a cert where they insisted that the Registration District was Hatfield, and it should have been Hayfield. After four attempts I got an amended certificate.

M

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 16 Jan 2010 21:54

I have an early death cert before they gave ages for a Mary. When I received the cert and looked very closely I saw it was Mercy age 10 months. Surname also transcribed as Durbey Burden should be Darby Burden registered in Dudley

The writing on the cert form GRO was hard to read

However the bonus was she was the baby sister of my gt grandfather who I knew nothing about and her mother Harriett registered the death in 1857.
At this stage I still havnt found Harrietts death

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 17 Jan 2010 22:23

The reason i know that GRO certs are wrong is my gr grandfathers marriage entry.........GRO and of course subsequently freeBMD have his 1875 marriage down as Charles Francis.... I ordered the cert. and the age was also wrong, but all other details were correct. I knew that he married a Margaret Leslie.... I found the correct entry and details at LancsBMD, ordered the certificate from them and the name and age was correct Charles Furniss.

Getting back to the Bradford/Tedstones...I`m sure Mary Jane Bradford is the family from Maughan street that was found in 1881 and 1891. Especially with that also being Jessies birth address., I have also combed the censuss but can not find another Mary Jane Bradford that fits other than her.

I also did an 1891 census address search on St Lukes Road yesterday, but found no Bradfrods /Tedstones or witness surnames....... but of course they may have just used that address to put on the certificate, or have been there for a very short time before the marriage.

Nicky

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 17 Jan 2010 23:22

If we are working on the theory that Thomas Teadstone/Tedstone nephew of William Tedstone in 1871 and 1881 is our Thomas then i think this is his birth registry...

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
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Tedstone Thomas Clun 6a 566

Clun covers the area including Clungunford which is given as Thomas`s birthplace in both those census`s.


There is also Robert George born Sept. 1862 in Clun reg. district.....brother of Thomas listed with same family as him?

Charles Pressdee/Sarah Tedstone {daughter of William and Eliza} in 1887 marriage also Clun

And then William Tedstone death 1883 Clun age 63... we already know Eliza is a widow by 1891 so pretty sure this must be the correct family.

there is also a Charlotte Tedstone marriage to William Griffiths 1859 in Clun.

Is Charlotte the sister of William and Thomas the alleged Policeman.??

Think Marian needs to get the Thomas birth cert. 1867 Clun, as everything fits in with it being the correct person.

Just a thought but if Robert and Thomas are with Uncle william and family in both 1871 and 1881 ,were they orphaned?.....in which case they may know nothing about their parentage......and as we all know our ancestors were very good at fabricating fathers details on marriage certs.!!!

Off too look for a Thomas, William and Charlotte Tedstone born Shropshire in 1851 and 1841....


Nicky


Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 17 Jan 2010 23:29

Well looks like my theory of Charlotte being a sister is wrong......she was previously married to a Tedstone or had 2 illigitimate children...

1861
GRIFFITHS, William Head Married M 30 1831 Agricultural Labourer
Hopesay
Shropshire VIEW
GRIFFITHS, Charlotte Wife Married F 32 1829
Bramfield
Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Lueza Daughter F 12 1849
Hopesay
Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Emily Daughter F 6 1855
Hopesay
Shropshire VIEW
GRIFFITHS, John Son M 0 (9M) 1861
Hopesay
Shropshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1843 Folio:
50 Page:
9

Registration District:
Clun Sub District:
4 North Lydbury EnumerationDistrict:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Nicky
Civil Parish:
Hopesay Municipal Borough:
Address:
Perry Gutter, Hopesay County:
Shropshire

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 17 Jan 2010 23:51

Well this looks like william in 1851, .


TEDSTONE, William Head Unmarried M 30 1821 Labourer
Bromfield VIEW
DAVIES, Charlotte Mother W F 64 1787 Out Work
Bewtihavre
Radnorshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Charllotte Sister Unmarried F 24 1827 Out Work
Bromfield
Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Martha Sister Unmarried F 16 1835
Hopesay
Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Lueza Niece F 2 1849
Hopesay
Shropshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1983 Folio:
416 Page:
13

Registration District:
Clun Sub District:
EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Hopesay Municipal Borough:
Address:
Perry Gutter, Hopesay County:
Shropshire


Nicky

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 18 Jan 2010 01:04

This family gets more complicated.....

1861 Perry Gutter Hopesay Shopshire....same address as my previous 2 postings.

Charlotte Davies Head Widow 75
Martha Tedstone unmarried daughter 25
William Harding ????? age 1

next door.....

William Griffiths Head 30 married Ag Lab
Charlotte Griffiths Wife 32
Lueza Tedstone Daughter 12
Emily Tedstone Daughter 6
John Griffiths son 9 months.

next door...

William Tedstone Head Married 40 Ag Lab
Eliza Tedstone Wife 38
Harriett Price Daughter 13
George Price son 9
Sarah Tedstone Daughter 6

So this accounts for the only 3 Tedstone children I can find Charlotte, William and Martha, children of Charlotte and John Tedstone {IGI submitted entry gives a possible marriage}

So my theory is Thomas Tedstone Policeman dosn`t exist, and Thomas born 1867 Clun and maybe Robert George born 1862 Clun also are the illigitimate children of Martha.......... Martha then dies, and the children are bought up by her brother William and Wife Eliza.

Looks like Robert George marries in Wolverhampton in 1893....his marriage cert, may be more informative than brother Thomas`s.


Nicky




Don`t know what happens to Lueza and Emily Tedstone, unless they start calling themselves Griffiths, as I can`t find them again under Tedstone.

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 18 Jan 2010 01:32

1841 census....Hopesay Shropshire

DAVIES, Thomas M 30 1811 Shropshire VIEW
DAVIES, Charlotte F 50 1791 Shropshire VIEW
DAVIES, Martha F 6 1835 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTON, William M 20 1821 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTON, John M 15 1826 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTON, Charlotte F 6 1835 Shropshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
919 Book/Folio:
23/6 Page:
8

Registration District:
Clun Sub District:
Lydbury, North EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Hopesay Municipal Borough:
Address:
Aston, Hopesay, Aston County:
Shropshire


So was Martha really Thomas Davies daughter and not actually born a Tedstone??


Nicky

EDIT......Extracted entry from IGI that includes brother John as per 1841 census....still no sign of a Thomas...!!



Tedstone, British Isles
Father: John , Mother: Charlotte
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C016962
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Prepare selected records for download

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 4
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. ROBERT GEORGE TEDSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUN 1826 Bromfield, Shropshire, England

2. JOHN TEDSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 AUG 1824 Bromfield, Shropshire, England

3. ELIZABETH TEDSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUN 1822 Bromfield, Shropshire, England

4. WILLIAM TEDSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 OCT 1820 Bromfield, Shropshire, England



Extracted Marriage entry IGI....

THOMAS DAVIES Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLOTTE TETSTONE Family
Marriage: 25 MAR 1836 Lydbury North, Shropshire, England



Nicky

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 18 Jan 2010 08:08

It looks as if Robert G Tedstone is Martha'a son, but Martha's birth year is out by 10 years to be the same one.

Name: Robert G Tedstone
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Hopesay, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England



Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 39 horsekeeper, groom, Salop, Wittington
Martha Jones 45 Hopesay
Charlotte Jones 16 Dunkinfield, Cheshire
Annie Jones 13 Salop. Whittington
Harry Tedstone 9 nephew born Hopesay
Robert G Tedstone 28
George Warner 24

Name: Martha Jones
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Hopesay, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Tettenhall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Elmsdale Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Tettenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 29
Martha Jones 35
Charlotte Mary Jones 6
Annie Lavinia Jones 3

Christine


Madmeg

Madmeg Report 18 Jan 2010 12:21

Just had confirmation that the age of Mary Jane Bradford on her marriage is wrong - she is 20. So she is likely the one we found in 1881 with parents John and Letitia. Well done Nicky for thinking of that one.

Just also to add that Marian's family crisis is hopefully resolved.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 19 Jan 2010 00:12

Some Sterling work done here friends. I'm sure Marian will be delighted when she has time to absorb it all.

But still no idea who Jennie Bradford is.

I agree that Thomas Tedstone policeman is probably not real.



Mary

Mary Report 19 Jan 2010 13:34

Tree on Ancestry Lucy 1849 daughter of Charlotte tedstone.says 1851 she is down as Lueza 1861 Lucy a Tedstone,1881 Laura griffiths 1901 louisa griffiths and that she had son john Griffiths in bristol @ 1891.

Emily 1855 daughter of Charlotte married Richard Turner.

The same tree has Thomas 1867 in Clun but no parents.


Maryb

Marian

Marian Report 19 Jan 2010 20:56

Hi everyone, I've just been reading through your postings, I don't know how on earth you manage to get so much information together so quickly, its fantastic detective work! I will take a bit of time to try and absorb it all to see how it all fits together. Thank you so much. Marian

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 19 Jan 2010 22:01

Hi Marian..... Glad your family problem is sorted out...

Hope you can piece together some of the information we`ve given you and make some sense of it....... remember these are ONLY suggestions of Thomas Tedstones roots , and i`m not really sure that any of this information ties in.

I think the way forward if you agree that this is all feasible is to purchase the Thomas Tedstone birth cert. for Clun 1867.

The more i look at this family ,the more i become convinced that Thomas Tedstone Policeman, didn`t exist........this family are all Ag labs, manual workers, there is no trace of any Tedstone who is a Policeman on any census that I have looked at, {and believe me i`ve looked at a lot of Tedstone entries lately!!} Making up a fathers name for a marriage cert. was VERY common practice among illigitimate children.

Christine in Portugal pointed out that the Martha married to William Jones was 10 years younger than the one i found earlier in the census, that I proposed was mother of Robert George b 1863 and Thomas born 1867 both in Clun. I am not convinced by that as I think as she married a younger man she may well have dropped 10 years off her age. { another common practice}.... I will go and see if she had any more children by 1901, as in 1891 her youngest child Annie is 13, if she was really 55 then and not 45 as she states its no surprise that she didn`t have anymore, as she would have been 42 when she gave birth to Annie.

Nicky

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 20 Jan 2010 00:47

I imagine that given Marians recent family problem, she will need a few days to absorb all that everyone has found. And there is a lot.

I keep being a pain, but has anybody found Jennie Bradford?

Marian

Marian Report 20 Jan 2010 18:14

Hi Nicky, I am making sense of most of it and trying to digest the rest, you all work so fast, its very impressive. I will get Thomas Tedstone's birth certificate 1867 and agree with what you say about the Policeman, it doesn't fit in at all. Thank you for all your hard work. Marian

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 22 Jan 2010 21:25

Marion.

I expect you have already contacted Carolyn who has Jessie Tedstone 1894 Halesowen on GR.

Or Stephen who has Jennie Bradford 1875 Ruabon Denbighshire Wales

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 12:02

Theres also a Public tree on ancestry with Thomas Tedstone born 1867 Clun Shropshire.......it gives his date of birth as 1st March....

I can`t access it, as my Ancestry subs have run out, could someone take a look and see if its any help to Marian please?


Nicky

Mary

Mary Report 23 Jan 2010 12:38

I think i have already checked that tree and no parents given.

Maryb

Stephen Barrett who has Jennie Bradford is connected through Margaret Hall Jennie's mum.
Carolyn connected to Conroy who Jessie Tedstone married .