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Birth Certificates UPDATE

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Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 12:41

Thats intresting Mary ........as how would the tree owner have a date of birth if they didn`t know who the parents were??


nicky

Mary

Mary Report 23 Jan 2010 12:46

Was it the Hayball tree,I have just looked again it says thomas tedstone born march 1867 in Clun.
they don't have 1871 census but do have 1881 when he is with aunty and uncles William and Eliza t.

Mary.

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 13:05

yes the Hayball one ...

Have Cand P what i can view...definetly gives DOB as 1st March 1867....


Name: Thomas Tedstone
Birth: 01 Mar 1867 - Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Residence: 1881 - Hopesay, Shropshire, England
Sources: Y
Saved Records: Y
Tree Name: Hayball Family Tree

So if they don`t have the parents or parent...how do they know the DOB??


Nicky

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 23 Jan 2010 19:20

The Ancestry tree just says March 1867, no exact date. But interestingly a note thereon says that Robert is not the brother of Thomas, but is another cousin, son of Martha.

There is absolutely nothing more there about Thomas. He is sort of hanging in space with no parents, no siblings, no spouse.

Carolyn and Stephen are both in touch with Marian.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 23 Jan 2010 20:05

The Tedstones are doin me ed in!

Can't work it all out, but it is Saturday night, and I've had a couple of glasses (of orange juice?) and it is my birthday tomorrow, so we are having a steak. Tonight.

The marriage cert of Mary Jane Bradford and Thomas Tedstone had witnesses Benjamin and May or Mary Darwood. May was a Tedstone, born 1865. A fair assumption that she is a relative.

But none of your fantastic searches have turned up a May or Mary Tedstone.

Well, how interesting - see this link, those of you that can get onto Ancestry:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/ViewPhoto.aspx?tid=3102734&pid=-1396874606&iid=9be7ec68-d081-4bdf-9b38-3736fe8a932b&src=search

It is "Auntie Darwood", attached to Mary Tedstone, on the tree of Jane Hayball, the one with the unattached Thomas.

How did that pop up?

There is even a photo - MARIAN, IS THERE ANY FAMILY RESEMBLANCE?: She looks a nice, bright lady.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 23 Jan 2010 20:12

No, it aint right. Could be a different Hayball. Need more time to look.

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 20:14

This family gets more intriguing by the minute.......Hope Marian follows up the GR link to Jennie Bradford that Quinsgran posted.. EDIT.....sorry just seen she is already in touch with them.....

not the only one having a glass of Orange juice tonight...though mines Rose coloured!!!

Happy Birthday for tommorow Meg.........we`re getting an Indian takeaway delivered later....

If Thomas is a cousin of Robert, he could be the son of John or Robert George...though I think i`ve seen Robert George through the census and he was Pub landlord, so don`t think it could be him.

Nicky

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 23 Jan 2010 20:36

Meg, Isn't this the Mary Tedstone who married Darwood, posted earlier.

Here is Eliza Tedstone mistranscribed in 1871 and presume daughter Mary who married Benjamin Darwood. Living with them is Thomas Tedstone, nephew, born Clungunford, Shropshire. Could this be the Thomas we are looking for.

Name: Eliza Redstone
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Shrewsbury
Civil parish: Hopesay
Town: Perry Gutter
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Clun
Sub-registration district: Lydbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
William Redstone 50
Eliza Redstone 49
Sarah Redstone 16
Mary Redstone 6
Robert Redstone 8 nephew
Thomas Redstone 4 nephew

Christine

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 23 Jan 2010 20:36

Oh, it's too much for me. This Ancestry tree has buckets of Tedstones. Marrying Prices, Davies's and Griffiths. But not a Thomas in sight other than the disconnected one.

I'll send a message to Jane Hayball. EDIT sent

Margaret

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 20:40

Margaret/Meg.....Good idea to email the tree owner....be intresting to see her source of info

This family are really bugging me...be good to get a result on it.....



Nicky

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 20:48

We definetly did have Mary Tedstone who married a Darwood before

they are part of the Perry Gutter clan in 1861....

TEDSTONE, William Head M 50 1821 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Eliza Wife F 49 1822 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Sarah Daughter F 16 1855 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Mary Daughter F 6 1865 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Robert Nephew M 8 1863 Shropshire VIEW
TEDSTONE, Thomas Nephew M 4 1867 Shropshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2733 Folio:
57 Page:
11

Registration District:
Clun Sub District:
Lydbury EnumerationDistrict:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Hopesay Municipal Borough:
Address:
Perry Gutter, Hopesay County:


Nicky

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 23 Jan 2010 21:09

The Ancestry tree looks well researched (though no sources), but there is a contradiction in that one comment says that Robert (the one we thought was brother of Thomas), is the son of Martha and another comment says he is the son of Robert George.

Ah, stupid me, there are two Robert Georges. One is born 1855, son of Robert George and wife Jane Rock, and one born 1862, illegitimate som of Martha. One of them (forgotten which one) is the pub landlord.

Here is what the tree says as far as I can understand it. All in Shropshire in the earlier years.

John Tedstone m Charlotte Francis. No birth for him, died 1840. She 1786-1862. Six children.

William 1820-1883 m Eliza Price, children Sarah 1855, Mary 1864. Would seem to be the Mary who married Benjamin Darwood.

Elizabeth 1822. Nothing more on her.
John 1824-1901, married Jane Harrington. Nothing more.

Robert George 1826-1895 m Jane Rack, children George 1852, Robert George 1855, Charlotte 1857, Betsy 1859.

Charlotte 1829. Two illegitimate children, Lucy 1849, Emily 1855, then marries William Griffiths in 1859, children John 1860 and Samuel 1866.

Martha 1835. Illegitimate child Robert George 1862. Then marries William Jones, has Charlotte 1875 and Annie Lavinia 1878.

Unfortunately the tree does not connect "our" Thomas Tedstone b 1867 with any of this lot. But he clearly is connected somehow.

So the birth cert in Clun 1867 is the only way forward. I will tell Marian to hold fire on the marriage of Robert George, likely different parents.

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 23 Jan 2010 21:22

Think Marian is only getting the Thomas Tedstone born 1867 Clun Cert.

Though i really don`t think it will show father as Thomas Tedstone Policeman, as explained in earlier post, I really do think this IS the one that married Mary Jane Bradford in 1892...there are NO Thomas Tedstones of a similar age.....



Nicky

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 23 Jan 2010 23:10

Mary and Nicky, I am a noddy, thank you for pointing that out.

So Robert 1862 is likely son of Martha, and Thomas we have no idea about. So the birth cert might help.

We can keep spending Marian's money, but she probably also needs to get the marriage of Mary Tedstone to Benjamin Darwood to prove that we are on the right family, given that we have no Thomas Tedstone, Policeman. Do you think? Unless, of course, the birth cert of Thomas says his father is a policeman.

Phew.

Margaret

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 24 Jan 2010 11:22

Well if the birth cert. of Thomas Tedstone 1867 Clun does give Thomas Tedstone Policeman as father, then he is someone we have no trace of...but just getting mothers name will be a help, if its legitimate birth there will be a marriage etc to find.......I await with baited breath....


Nicky

Mary

Mary Report 24 Jan 2010 12:41

Can i ask rather thsan go through it all again.

John Tedstone died 1840?and on 1841 census Charlotte his widow is Davis so when and who did she marry.
On same 1841 census there is son Thomas Davis age 20 = 1821 and Martha Davis age 6 daughter and with them at same address Charlotte Tedstone 6.and William etc
I have looked for Thomas Davis and Thomas tedstone born @ 1820.
Found thomas Tedstone around that age but no Thomas Davis.

I too have spent hours trying to unravel and went through all siblings of Martha and their marriages to find parents of thomas 1867 but nothing came of it.

Elizabeth seemed to be the elusive one,unless this thomas off 1841 census has something to do with it.

Maryb

Edit,sorry just looked again at 1841 its Thomas Davies born 1811 not 1820 back to drawing board.

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 24 Jan 2010 21:54

Charlotte Tedstone married Thomas Davies in 1836.... so presumably husband John died prior to that.

I wonder if the 1840 John Tedstone death is in fact her son....I found a John with the other siblings baptisms records on the IGI on page 11.

Extracted Marriage entry IGI....

THOMAS DAVIES Pedigree
Male Family


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLOTTE TETSTONE Family
Marriage: 25 MAR 1836 Lydbury North, Shropshire, England

Nicky

Mary

Mary Report 25 Jan 2010 11:04

Hayball tree has John Tedstone married to Jane Harrington his parents John and Charlotte.
Other trees have John married to jane harrington but have his parents as John tedstone and Mary Powell.

So who is correct I don't know.

Maryb

Marian

Marian Report 25 Jan 2010 17:36

Hi all, sent for Thomas Tedstone birth cert 1867 Clun, should I also get the marriage of Mary Tedstone & Benjamin Darwood? Had a look at the photo of Aunty Darwood on the Hayball tree, some sort of resemblance but nothing outstanding. I'm sorry all this is doing your heads in, maybe something will turn up on the certs. Thank you all! Marian

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 25 Jan 2010 18:01

Poor Marion. Its costing you plenty getting all these certs without anything concrete so far.

Lets hope you do get to the bottom of it