Genealogy Chat

I'm really having trouble locating marriages of my relatives. I have spent most of the day trawling through 1000's of records but don't know if I have found the right one as I don't know the date of the marriage and having to take a guess at the year, which then brings me loads of results back and some with matches for the names but don't know if they are the correct ones as the only info is the borough and the name. Not knowing what borough they got married in, I am at a loss to know if this is the relative I'm looking for? Any advice would be appreciated!

What sort of dates are you looking at? If they are not too recent do you want to give the names?

Kath. x

Thanks for replying! The two that I am interested in is....

Thomas Phillips born c.1866 born in Lewisham married to Lettuce(really!) c.1870 born in Whitechapel. Lived in Lewisham in 1901. eldest child was 8 at the time.

Cornelius Matthews born c.1861 in Cambridge Old Chesterton married to Jane c.1863 also born Cambridge Old Chesterton. In 1891 was living in Wimbledon but in 1901 was in Catford. Eldest Child was 13 in 1901.

Hope I have given enough/right info
Thanks!

Could this be the first marriage:-

Name: Lettuce Maria Smith
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bromley
County: Greater London, Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 705

Also on the page is a Thomas Phillips

Kath. x

Married 24 yrs on 1911?

MATTHEWS, Corneluis Charles Head Married M 54 1857 General Labouer Cambridge Old Chesterton
MATTHEWS, Jane Wife Married
24 years F 49 1862 Cambridge St Matthews
MATTHEWS, Sidney Son Single M 23 1888 Porter Shop Cambridge St Matthews
MATTHEWS, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic Servant London Forest Hill
MATTHEWS, Lillian Daughter Single F 15 1896 Domestic Servant London Forest Hill
MATTHEWS, Florence Daughter F 12 1899 School London Forest Hill
MATTHEWS, Charles Son M 11 1900 School London Forest Hill
MATTHEWS, Elsie Daughter F 6 1905 School London Forest Hill


Address:
8 Malham Road Forest Hill

1901 England Census
about Lettuce Phillips
Name: Lettuce Phillips
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Phillips 35
Lettuce Phillips 31
Margaret E Phillips 8
Thomas W J Phillips 6
Ann L Phillips 3

Is this the right family? If so, why have I found it so easily? Where are you looking or not looking that you cannot find it?

The place to look for all bmds is www.freebmd.org.uk


...... certainly NOTon GR where you are only sent to an index!

freebmd carries almost all bmds from the start of registration on July 1 1837 to ca 1940.

Click on Search

Click on Marriages
I entered Phillips Thomas Lett* (in case of alternative spelling of Lettice), Mar 1891 to Dec 1901


This was the only result


Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)

Lush Robert Bromley 2a 705
Moul Annie Rebecca Bromley 2a 705
>>>>PHILLIPS Thomas Bromley 2a 705
>>>>Smith Lettuce Maria Bromley 2a 705


There are 4 names on the page ................... and as you know that her name was lettuce, then the pairing is obvious




sylvia

and your second one


Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)

Cook Sarah Ann Cambridge 3b 971
Halls William Charles Cambridge 3b 971
>>>>>Matthews Cornelius Cambridge 3b 971
>>>>>Smith Jane Cambridge 3b 971






sylvia

Only marrige coming up for about then,wrong brides names though.

Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
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Bonmariage Arthur Leonard G Lewisham 1d 1447
MATTHEWS Cornelius Lewisham 1d 1447
Roberts Rachel Lewisham 1d 1447
Rossel Nellie Elizabeth Lewisham 1d 1447
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Safest way to be sure is a childs birth for the mothers maiden name.

Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Matthews Lilian Martha Lewisham 1d 1221

Madmeg



I think FriendlyK was trying to use GR to do the finding ............... which is more or less hopeless as most of us know!!!




sylvia

so was Cornelius married twice then???


married Jane AFTER his first wife died, or they got a divorce?



sylvia

Ummmm,Madmeg.
I think Friendly K was asking for a marriage for Lettuce,not a census.
x

There is this baptism on the London Baptisms


but it also seems as if there is another Cornelius Matthews


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Eliza Carrie Elizabeth Matthews
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Aug 1894
Father's Name: Cornelius Matthews
Mother's Name: Jane Matthews
Parish: Christ Church
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

Notes made on image:-

Born: Nov 30 (no year given!!)
Address:- 152 Malken Road
Father's occupation:- Labourer



sylvia

I think there are certainly 2 Cornelius Matthews


This is from the London Baptism listings


Florence Nellie Matthews Baptism 29 Oct 1884 Cornelius Matthews,
Mary Ann Matthews Saint Andrew, West Kensington Hammersmith and Fulham


Nelson Edward Matthews Baptism 4 Oct 1893 Cornelius Matthews,
Mary Ann Matthews Saint Andrew, West Kensington Lambeth


Walter Gordon Matthews Baptism 22 Mar 1893 Cornelius Matthews,
Mary Ann Matthews Saint Andrew, West Kensington Hammersmith and Fulham


Nellie Victoria Matthews Baptism 30 May 1897 Cornelius Matthews,
Mary Ann Matthews Saint Andrew, West Kensington Lambeth


and then we have Eliza Carrie

Eliza Carrie Elizabeth Matthews Baptism 5 Aug 1894 Cornelius Matthews,
Jane Matthews Christ Church Lewisham




sylvia

Cornelius C Matthews Jane abt 1861 Old Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England Head Lewisham, London


Is this them in 1901?


1901 Census

Name: Cornelius C Matthews
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham

Cornelius C Matthews 40 General Labourer
Jane Matthews 38 b.ca 1863, Cambridgeshire
Henry A Matthews 20 b.ca 1881, Cambridgeshire, Son-in-Law, General Labourer
Sidney J Matthews 13 b.ca 1888, Cambridgeshire, Son
Eliza C Matthews 7 b.ca 1894, Forest Hill, Kent
Lillian M Matthews 3
Florence L Matthews 2
Charles A Matthews 1
Simon Bavester 55




BTW .... Son-in-Law (or Daughter-in-law) at this time often meant step son or step daughter.


I think Cornelius was married before




sylvia

Sylvia.

If the child is down as Stepson/son in law,then surley he must be Janes from a previous marriage or born illegit and took the name Matthews?

could be

or I wondered if, as only Henry was down as Son-in-Law, and Sidney was son ..................


whether Henry was son of the first wife before marriage, Sidney was the son of Cornelius and first wife, and then he married Jane



but I can't find any of them on the 1891 Census!!!




sylvia

Nor have I been able to find them on 1891,on Ancestry or FMP .

Isn't that strange???

I've tried Cornelius, Corn*, Matthews, Mat*hews



oooooooooooo ........ did I try Mat*hew*?????



just off to try that!



sylvia

Nope