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Trying to confirm a Death

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crg

crg Report 6 Dec 2010 06:56

sorry kiwijoy

A william did marry sarah jane they are in the 1891 cencus living in shadwell wetherby.Sarahs sister are with them.

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 6 Dec 2010 07:48

Hi Caroline

I thought it was the same Sarah and William Vevers that are also in the 1891 Census, only they are under "Nevies" but it is definitely Vevers, same family etc. only in Newcastle.

With the marriage being Wetherby, I thought she may have come from Wetherby originally and had gone back there to get married.

Well, I'll never make a detective that's for certain!! Back to the Drawing Board...

Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it.

Cheers.

Joy :-)

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 6 Dec 2010 14:59

I haven't got to the end of the thread yet but for what it's worth

James and Jacob are interchangeable (remember the Jacobites?)

now, as for Bridget, there was an awful lot of anti Irish feeling in England and an awful lot of Irish immegres (sp) would have anglcised or changed their names to disassociate themselves from their roots. Bridget is most certainly an Irish catholic name.

now I'll read the rest of the thread!

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 6 Dec 2010 19:35

Hi Janet,

Well Bridget's parents were definitely Irish, although I don't know if she would have had a very broad Irish accent, with her being born in Carlisle.

I'm thinking about my husband and myself, both "Geordies", yet both our son's speak "Kiwi", so I'm assuming maybe her speech wouldn't have made her 'stand out'? Or do you think just the name Bridget might have given it away? There again, if she was in an Irish Community in Carlisle maybe she did have an accent...

I don't know, why couldn't my Grandad have been born into a Family that wouldn't give me so much grief! The Vevers and the Tarpeys on my tree have taken up so much of my time that I'm wondering if I should live with what I've got and get on with the rest of my families??

Thanks for your help Janet. If you ever get to the end of the thread let me know what you think...

Thanks again.

Joy :-)

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 6 Dec 2010 19:41

Hi Janet,

Well Bridget's parents were definitely Irish, although I don't know if she would have had a very broad Irish accent, with her being born in Carlisle.

I'm thinking about my husband and myself, both "Geordies", yet both our son's speak "Kiwi", so I'm assuming maybe her speech wouldn't have made her 'stand out'? Or do you think just the name Bridget might have given it away? There again, if she was in an Irish Community in Carlisle maybe she did have an accent...

I don't know, why couldn't my Grandad have been born into a Family that wouldn't give me so much grief! The Vevers and the Tarpeys on my tree have taken up so much of my time that I'm wondering if I should live with what I've got and get on with the rest of my families??

Thanks for your help Janet. If you ever get to the end of the thread let me know what you think...

Thanks again.

Joy :-)

Janet 693215

Janet 693215 Report 6 Dec 2010 22:22

But the name Bridget would have betrayed her roots.

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 6 Dec 2010 22:44

Hi Janet

Yes I thought of that. I'm assuming the Anti Irish feeling you mention was to do to do with the Potato Famine?

Thanks again.

Joy :-)

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 6 Dec 2010 23:08

No contact with the person on Ancestry. Nothing else to suggest.

Margaret

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 6 Dec 2010 23:17

Hi Margaret

Thanks for letting me know. It was worth a try...

I was just thinking before - do you know if there is a website that has Parish Registers on it?

If so maybe I could trawl thru those.

Cheers.

Joy :-)

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 7 Dec 2010 08:15

Joy.
Im adding out of interest so I can find it in my threads when you get the cert.

Im also from Oop North but live in NZ like you. Certs vary as to how long they take but as you say the Christmas post will delay things.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 7 Dec 2010 21:27

Joya

have you trawled through

www.beta.familysearch.org



sylvia

IanRichards

IanRichards Report 7 Dec 2010 22:09

Hi Joy,
If you dont know already St Olavs was and is a home in London, was opened in 1571. Follow this link for info http://www.saintolaves.net/splash.php
Regards
Ian

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 7 Dec 2010 22:59


Quinsgran,

Hiya, I'll definitely be posting the result of the Cert. on line as there have been so many really lovely people that have helped me tremendously in my search. I wouldn't have got any further in my search if it wasn't for them.

By the way, I'm in Ch'ch. Only had 3 aftershocks today, up to now, (11.45am), but over 3,700 all together!

Sylvia.

I did a good while ago now, forgot all about that site! Will now go back and revisit it. Thanks very much.

Ian,

I do know now, but I'll have a look at the link just out of curiosity, never know what I might find? From memory it turned out it wasn't my family after all. I would go back and look at the previous answers, but every time I done that previously I somehow end up losing my reply!!

Thanks for thinking of me.

Cheers

Joy :-)

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 13 Dec 2010 23:17

To all you lovely people that have helped me in the past - I have just received the Birth Cert. of my Grandfather, James Toward Vevers and it only took 11 days to get here!!

Born: 9 November 1881.
Named: Toward
Father: William Vevers
Mother: Bridget Vevers, formerly Tarpey
Occupation of Father: Bricklayer
Informant: X the mark of Bridget Vevers, Mother
Registered: 17th Dec 1881

So now we have proof that my grandfather was named Toward on his Birth Cert, (and that Bridget was his mother), but had acquired the name of James Toward on his Marriage Cert.

After the New Year I will be sending for Sarah Vevers Death Cert and Richard Vevers Birth Cert, to see if they will clear up another couple of mysteries.

In the meantime, the elusive Bridget Tarpey is still at the top of my "Hit List"!!

Thank you all for your help, you've all been extremely generous with your time and I truly appreciate it.

Cheers. Joy :-)

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 13 Dec 2010 23:39

Thanks for keeping us updated Joy. It must be a family name because he's not the only one is he?

Births Dec 1868 (>99%)
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VEVERS Toward Carlisle 10b 455

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Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
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VEVERS Toward Cockermouth 10b 631

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Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
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VEVERS Toward Newcastle T. 10b 53


Julie

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 14 Dec 2010 00:48

Hi Julie

Thanks for the information.

Yes, I noticed a few Toward Vevers when I was first looking for my Grandfather. (Wonder where the "James" came from)?

As far as I'm aware, William Vevers father was Richard Vevers, B. 1818, Bowness on Solent, Cumb. and his Mother was Mary ? B. 1815, Holwick Yorks. As yet I haven't had anything confirmed though. I might try and see if there is anything on the 1841 Census.

I wouldn't be surprised if William had a brother called Toward and that's where my Grandfather got his name from?

Thanks again for your input Julie.

Cheers.

Joy :-)

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 14 Dec 2010 02:50

Hi,

I've found Richard and Mary Vevers on the 1851 Census but it is very difficult to read. Would there be anywhere else I could confirm what is on there?

Found William Vevers on the Census aged 4months old too.

I have been on FreeBMD and think I have found the marriage of Richard Vevers and a Mary TOWARD in 1839... I'm thinking that her surname may be where the name Toward originated. Do you think I may be on the right track.

Cheers.

Joy :-)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 14 Dec 2010 05:19

Joy

Thanks for keeping us updated


He could have "acquired" James, maybe just 'cos he liked it.

.................. or he could have been baptized James Toward.

In England, birth registration is not altered when a second name is added at baptism.


I'm away now for 3 weeks ................... so I hope all goes well for you


Have a Merry Christmas ........ and I hope those aftershocks stop coming!!

I have another friend who lives up on that shoulder between Ch'ch and Lyttelton ...... that's a horrendous road! We drove it back around new Year '93. But that was before I met this friend (internet of course!).



sylvia

crg

crg Report 14 Dec 2010 06:58

found them in 1841
down as rich beaver b 1821 in fingland wigton district.

Thelma

Thelma Report 14 Dec 2010 11:06

1851

Richard Wevers abt 1818 Cumb, Bowness Head Fingland, Cumberland
Farms 4 acres(ag lab)
Mary Wevers abt 1815 Rumblekirk, Yorkshire, England Wife Fingland, Cumberland
James Wevers abt 1842 Rumblekirk, Yorkshire, England Son Fingland, Cumberland
Joseph Wevers abt 1846 Cumb, Bowness Son Fingland, Cumberland
William Wevers abt 1850 Cumb, Bowness Son Fingland, Cumberland