Genealogy Chat

you could try looking on this site for ww1 i have tried but there are a few with no next of kin or ages to be able to say one is him

http://www.cwgc.org/

Hello All

I will send for the Jones / Barker / Alderson death certificate ...........
I need to know ? don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.........

I don't have a death certificate for Thomas William Alderson
I can't trace one. Thomas was alive in 1911 as he is on the 1911census.
staying/living with his parents William and Mary at 3 Bowden Yard. Willington.Durham.I have looked between 1911 - 1918 as Sarah Jane Alderson remarried Joseph Thurlby in 1918. THEN I found 2 siblings
Rachel born 1916 and John 1917. SO i presume that Thomas died ????
prior to 1916............. could he have died in World War 1 ??????????

Regards Margaret

jansmith lol ......I,ve lost the plot! sorry!!!!


best of luck margaret. I hope you are lucky and find her very soon.

here it is on freebmd Corrinne
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
Powell Alfred Thomas Keighley 9a 186

Birth Certificate for Alfred Thomas Powell

Third of June 1903 13 Eagle Street. Keighley.U.D.
Alfred Thomas- Boy -Father Joseph Thomas Powell
Mother Emily Powell -formerly Hudson.
Occupation of father,- Fireman. railway locomotive. reg'8/7/1903

Margaret

Thanks jansmith I do not have access to ancestry and presumed it would have been on free bmd but it isn,t

sorry madmeg

The Jones and ada margaret Barker otherwise Alderson
married at the register office Blackpool.

Margaret

Corrinne page 2 has 1911 census for him so this is index
Name: Alfred Thomas Powell
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Keighley (1837-1946)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 186

alfred thomas,s father where is he?

on free bmd


we found no matches.
Search for Type: Births Surname: powell First name(s): joseph thomas
District: all


margaret do you have a birth certificate for your father?

still looking! although not coming up with anything new. I am trying from a different angle. ok
I am having difficulty finding your fathers birth registration details where was he born?, there is nothing for bradford under the name of alfred thomas powell or alfred powell around 1903 on free bmd .

edit.
there is nothing coming up for a birth for alfred thomas powell anywhere! on free bmd

Hello madmeg all.........Wow I dont know who to answer first
Re. looking at all my certificates................
My father Alfred Thomas Powell married Ada May Alderson 1927 in Bradford.
Ada May gave her age as 18......which we now know may have been 17 ie 1909. Ada states her father Thomas as being deceased.
the certificate is signed Ada May Alderson.
The death certificate of Sarah Jane Thurlby formerly Alderson 1933 in Crook. Co.Durham.Informant A.Powell daughter present at time of death living 16 Midland Terrace. Bradford.. My late sister who would have been 6 at this time
always told us that mum came from Billie Row. Crook. and I now think that possible my sister was with my mother at this time ?
I have traced and spoken with the children of John and Rachel Thurlby.
and the daughter remembers her mother, always referred to Ada as Ada May.I have Thomas William Alderson and Sarah Jane's marriage certificate 1909 The Registry Office. Auckland.
Thomas William Alderson. Birth Certificate 16/2/1888. Crook. CO.Durham
Marriage Fred Barker. Ada Margaret Powell 30. Spinster=father's name Alfred Powell deceased signed Ada M. Powell
.marriage John Arthur Jones and Ada margaret Barker otherwise Alderson
age 39. spinster. signed A>M>Barker.father Alfred Thomas Alderson.
I hope to post you the cert' tomorrow. Meg' and thankyou.
Margaret

? The Gateshead one 1911
Registration District:
Gateshead

ALDERSON, William Head Married M 36 1875 Coal Miner Hewer Bishop Auckland Co of Durham
ALDERSON, Lizzie Jane Wife
Married 14 years F 33 1878 Shinoy Row Co of Durham
ALDERSON, Thomas Son M 11 1900 School So Shields Co of Durham
ALDERSON, Robert Son M 9 1902 Coxgreen Durham
ALDERSON, Adam Son M 7 1904 Coxgreen Durham
ALDERSON, Norman Son M 5 1906 Coxgreen Durham
ALDERSON, William Son M 2 1909 Felling Durham
ALDERSON, Ada Daughter F 1 1910 Felling Durham

think this is the Holbeck one to dismiss it? 1911
ALDERSON, Richard Head Married M 41 1870 Compositor Yorks New Wortley Leeds
ALDERSON, Florence Wife
married 17 years F 41 1870 Yorks Holbeck Leeds
ALDERSON, Arthur Tempest Son M 15 1896 Bookbinder Yorks Holbeck Leeds
ALDERSON, Henry Son M 13 1898 Tailor Yorks Holbeck Leeds
ALDERSON, William Son M 6 1905 Yorks Holbeck Leeds
ALDERSON, Dorothy Daughter F 5 1906 Yorks Holbeck Leeds
ALDERSON, Ada Daughter F 1 1910 Yorks Holbeck Leeds

Reading through again, and bearing in mind people's doubts I'm now even less certain of anything.

Can I summarise the position as Margaret sees it so far?

You know your father was Alfred Thomas Powell, and who his parents were, because you grew up at their home, 16 Midland Terrace, Bradford, which your mother left when you were young.

You know that your father married Ada May Alderson in Bradford in 1927, because you have the cert. She gave her age as 18 (which may have been untrue) and said her father was Thomas (no middle name) Alderson deceased (which also may have been untrue).

You know that a lady called Sarah Jane Thurlby died "up North" in 1933 and the informant was - A Powell? or Ada May Alderson? You have used both names. The informant lived at 16 Midland Terrace, Bradford, so clearly a relative of yours. And you have the cert.

You know that Sarah Jane Thurlby was previously Sarah Jane Alderson, formerly Brankston cos you have both marriage certs, and the second says she was a widow.

You have found a family of Brankstons in 1911 with a daughter Sarah Jane Alderson and a g/d Ada May age 8 months.

Folks, that all sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Margaret, can you answer my question regarding the surnames of the bride on the marriage of Ada May Barker/Alderson and confirm it says Spinster. Where did they marry?

Just a thought......... Could have been born in Lanchester BUT registered in Bradford / Leeds area...ie... Holbeck ..... I have one like that... born wellingbro. reg wakefield.!!

Margaret.
I wonder have you ever found any other siblings for Ada May besides the half siblings when her mother re married in 1918. I am surprised that no other children have been born prior to the second marriage.
Has a death of Thomas Alderson yet to be found? does he definately have a midddle name?

On the Death Certificate 1933 it gives person present at the time of death A Powell could this stand for Alfred or Ada?

what about this birth registration mistranscribed.
Births Jun 1909
ANDERSON Ada May Gateshead 10a 1172

half siblings.
1916 rachel thurlby, and john thurlby 1918 both born out of wedlock???

Please correct me if I am wrong....

You say that you have ada may's marriage cert.....
23rd july 1927..Bfd... gives her age as 18......

If I am right then I think that means that she was born 1909/10 !!

Sarah Jane married dec 1909 so could it be that she is the ada reg march Q 1910 Gateshead ....& Sarah Jane is trying to cover fact that she was with child at marriage . Possibly to her parents?

Margaret
"I thank you for your help but feel you have not read previous pages from the other helpers"

I have read the previous pages many times, however the thread isn,t crystal clear. Many things do not add up and I think some of the people you have found may not all be part of your family and that is where it is confusing, you need to check carefully what you have as it is so easy to go down the wrong line.

no offence meant I am only trying to help

Margaret

Just wondering how Ada May who was born in Co Durham ended up living and marrying in Bradford, Yorkshire. Have you any knowledge of this?

Regards

Vera

Meg did you also see this on 1st page ?
Do you think that is the same child registered in Gateshead?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Ada Alderson Name: Ada Alderson
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 2
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 1019