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mouseman

mouseman Report 11 Mar 2011 19:14

Hello madmeg all.........Wow I dont know who to answer first
Re. looking at all my certificates................
My father Alfred Thomas Powell married Ada May Alderson 1927 in Bradford.
Ada May gave her age as 18......which we now know may have been 17 ie 1909. Ada states her father Thomas as being deceased.
the certificate is signed Ada May Alderson.
The death certificate of Sarah Jane Thurlby formerly Alderson 1933 in Crook. Co.Durham.Informant A.Powell daughter present at time of death living 16 Midland Terrace. Bradford.. My late sister who would have been 6 at this time
always told us that mum came from Billie Row. Crook. and I now think that possible my sister was with my mother at this time ?
I have traced and spoken with the children of John and Rachel Thurlby.
and the daughter remembers her mother, always referred to Ada as Ada May.I have Thomas William Alderson and Sarah Jane's marriage certificate 1909 The Registry Office. Auckland.
Thomas William Alderson. Birth Certificate 16/2/1888. Crook. CO.Durham
Marriage Fred Barker. Ada Margaret Powell 30. Spinster=father's name Alfred Powell deceased signed Ada M. Powell
.marriage John Arthur Jones and Ada margaret Barker otherwise Alderson
age 39. spinster. signed A>M>Barker.father Alfred Thomas Alderson.
I hope to post you the cert' tomorrow. Meg' and thankyou.
Margaret

Corrinne

Corrinne Report 11 Mar 2011 19:25

still looking! although not coming up with anything new. I am trying from a different angle. ok
I am having difficulty finding your fathers birth registration details where was he born?, there is nothing for bradford under the name of alfred thomas powell or alfred powell around 1903 on free bmd .

edit.
there is nothing coming up for a birth for alfred thomas powell anywhere! on free bmd

Corrinne

Corrinne Report 11 Mar 2011 19:30




alfred thomas,s father where is he?

on free bmd


we found no matches.
Search for Type: Births Surname: powell First name(s): joseph thomas
District: all


margaret do you have a birth certificate for your father?

jansmith

jansmith Report 11 Mar 2011 19:41

Corrinne page 2 has 1911 census for him so this is index
Name: Alfred Thomas Powell
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Keighley (1837-1946)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 186

mouseman

mouseman Report 11 Mar 2011 19:42

sorry madmeg

The Jones and ada margaret Barker otherwise Alderson
married at the register office Blackpool.

Margaret

Corrinne

Corrinne Report 11 Mar 2011 19:45

Thanks jansmith I do not have access to ancestry and presumed it would have been on free bmd but it isn,t

mouseman

mouseman Report 11 Mar 2011 19:52

Birth Certificate for Alfred Thomas Powell

Third of June 1903 13 Eagle Street. Keighley.U.D.
Alfred Thomas- Boy -Father Joseph Thomas Powell
Mother Emily Powell -formerly Hudson.
Occupation of father,- Fireman. railway locomotive. reg'8/7/1903

Margaret

jansmith

jansmith Report 11 Mar 2011 20:10

here it is on freebmd Corrinne
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
Powell Alfred Thomas Keighley 9a 186

Corrinne

Corrinne Report 11 Mar 2011 20:13

jansmith lol ......I,ve lost the plot! sorry!!!!


best of luck margaret. I hope you are lucky and find her very soon.

mouseman

mouseman Report 11 Mar 2011 20:48

Hello All

I will send for the Jones / Barker / Alderson death certificate ...........
I need to know ? don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.........

I don't have a death certificate for Thomas William Alderson
I can't trace one. Thomas was alive in 1911 as he is on the 1911census.
staying/living with his parents William and Mary at 3 Bowden Yard. Willington.Durham.I have looked between 1911 - 1918 as Sarah Jane Alderson remarried Joseph Thurlby in 1918. THEN I found 2 siblings
Rachel born 1916 and John 1917. SO i presume that Thomas died ????
prior to 1916............. could he have died in World War 1 ??????????

Regards Margaret

jansmith

jansmith Report 11 Mar 2011 23:29

you could try looking on this site for ww1 i have tried but there are a few with no next of kin or ages to be able to say one is him

http://www.cwgc.org/

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 12 Mar 2011 01:43

Thanks Margaret for all those answers, it must have taken you a lot of time to wade through all our questions and get it all down.

Corinne, I haven't even thought about Alfred Thomas Powell's family - was concentrating on Margaret's wish to find out what happened to her mother. You've not lost the plot, Margaret has made a few mistakes in some of her postings with all the fellas called Thomas something or something Thomas, so stick with us.

I checked the Commonwealth Graves Commission website - there are only 10 Thomas Aldersons listed dying in WW1, none with middle name William. A high proportion served with a Durham force, but most were too young to be "our" Thomas. There were however a few with no age given, but none with the parents that Margaret thinks she has identified in 1911, and from his marriage certificate. Maybe he went off to war and simply didn't come back - or didn't come back to his wife. It happened.

Yes Margaret, afraid you have to get that death cert. It might prove I am an idiot and have cost you money, for which I am sorry, but sometimes it has to be done to eliminate possibilities. I have 6 death certs for my John Kelly, and none are right.

We want the death cert to say she was born in Durham at least.

Incidentally, what was wrong with the death cert of Ada May Powell who died in - forgotten, but down south, like Torquay or similar area? That birth date was alarmingly similar to the one your sister remembers. Give us the details of it please.

Meg



Madmeg

Madmeg Report 12 Mar 2011 19:32

Margaret has sent me the marriage of Ada Margaret to Fred Barker. Nothing really to report.

mouseman

mouseman Report 12 Mar 2011 19:49

Hello Madmeg

The death certificate of Ada May Powell in St Austell. Cornwall was incorrect.
Ada was born in cornwall and the father was named Patterson.
I was so dissapointed- I felt I had at last found Ada May, that I destroyed it.
sorry.................
won't do that again.

margaret. x

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 12 Mar 2011 20:25

Now didn't I find a Pattison somewhere? Pattison, Patterson, both the same.

Off to look.

Meg.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 12 Mar 2011 20:31

From page 6:

I can only find this birth for a possible Ada M(argaret) Alderson who would have been 39 on 13 Oct 1952:

This was it, but it isn't relevant.

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Alderson Ada M Pattison Reeth 9d 1331

If that is the one who married John A Jones, whose father was Alfred Thomas Alderson, then I cannot find a marriage of such a man to a woman with the surname Pattison.

So forget it.

We have to wait for that death cert in Blackpool.

Meg

Corrinne

Corrinne Report 12 Mar 2011 21:06

Hi Margaret.

Just an idea have you searched to see if there are any "wills" from your dad, grandparents etc in case your mother is mentioned in them. If you haven,t got them it may be worth going down this avenue too. Keep smiling and never give up you will find her.

mouseman

mouseman Report 13 Mar 2011 19:32


A big welcome back Corrinne............

I have not searched to see if there were any wills from dad or my grandparents. I will have a look.

It was so good to see your name- thank you for not giving up on me.

Regards Margaret.

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 13 Mar 2011 22:53

Hello Margaret. There are probably lots of people following your thread but not posting as they haven't found anything new (like me)!

If anyone lives in the area perhaps they could check out the Crook war memorial to see if your grandfather Thomas William Alderson is on it???

It is a listed building (I googled it) :
CROOK AND WILLINGTON THE GREEN (West end)
NZ 13 NE
Billy Row
24/26 War Memorial

II

War memorial. Circa 1918. Portland stone. Life-size figure of soldier, hands
resting on rifle, on c. 4m. high pedestal which has unfluted Corinthian columns
at corners supporting entablature with wide cornice. Low square step to plinth;
pedestal has names of dead 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 on all sides, one side
devoted to Billy Row, one to Grahamley,one to Roddymoor and one to White Lea
districts. Fluted frieze and laurel wreath above each panel.

EDIT no he's not on that one. See here:

http://www.newmp.org.uk/memorial_image.php?contentId=6501

Julie

Jooleh

Jooleh Report 13 Mar 2011 23:04

Found a link to all War Memorials in the area. It will take a bit of trawling around but you might find him.........

http://www.newmp.org.uk/search.php

Julie