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Samuel Henry Darling born 1832

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Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 11:17

Hello friends

Can I again please ask for your help ?

My gt.grandfather named above, his father named on certificates is Henry Darling (Navy)

Years ago a friend of Genes found his birth in Limerick (Ireland) along with a brother/sister - Mother Margret and father Henry.

On asking a genealogist for help to find Samuel's Navy records - (his death cert states Navy Pensioner) - the genealogist has dismissed his birth information but couldn't find his Navy Records.

I have minimal information on Samuel; apart from his 2 marriages in Devon and his death cert. He has on several occasions just used his middle name
Henry, but there is another of similar age born in Devon who is actually HENRY.

Again, years ago when they were changing offices, the Devon Records could not help except to say he must have 'popped in and out of Devon to Ireland.'

I know there is the most knowledgeable people on this site and I hope they can help me please.

Thanks

Grace

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 May 2011 11:27

Marriages in 1864 and1888
Died in 1909

Do you have the marriage certs and found him on 1871 census

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 May 2011 11:27

Who did he marry? I can see the two marriages in 1864 and 1888.

Kath. x

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 May 2011 11:29

Henry S Darling
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth 1832 —Plymouth, Denbighshire
residence 31 Mar 1901 —Plymouth, Devonshire, England
census 31 Mar 1901 —Plymouth, Devonshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Henry S Darling
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 69
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Plymouth, Denbighshire
record type: Household
registration district: Plymouth
sub-district: St Andrew
ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
civil parish: Plymouth
county: Plymouth, St Andrew, Plymouth, Devonshire

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 May 2011 11:29

Is this his wife in 1871 census. If so it looks as if he married Elizabeth Mary Grace Soper.:-


DARLING, Elizh Head F 39 1832 Devon VIEW
DARLING, Chas Son M 6 1865 Devon VIEW
DARLING, Jno Son M 4 1867 Devon VIEW
DARLING, Sophia Daughter F 0 1871 Devon

Address:
Eldad Place, St Andrew, Plymouth


RG number: RG10
Piece:2117
Folio: 30
Page: 56

Perhaps Samuel was at sea.

Kath. x

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 1 May 2011 11:30

wonder if "Venus" is the name of a ship?

Henry Darling
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth 1832 —Topsham, Devon, England
residence 1881 —Penzance, Cornwall, England
census 1881 —Penzance, Cornwall, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Henry Darling
age: 49
gender: Male
birth year: 1832
birthplace: Topsham, Devon, England
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Mate
address: Venus
census place: Penzance, Cornwall, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341564
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2348 / 30
page number: 0

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 1 May 2011 11:33

Elizabeth again in 1881 census. She says she is "wife of seaman":-


DARLING, Elizabeth Wife Head Married F 49 1832 Wife Of Seaman Dadbrook Devon
DARLING, Sophia Daughter Single F 10 1871 Plymouth Devon

Address:
48, Wolsdon St, Plymouth St Andrew


RG number: RG11
Piece: 2195
Folio: 130
Page: 36

Kath. x

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 1 May 2011 11:34

Problem is that sometimes people put their place of birth as where they were living

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 11:36

Oh so quick.
Thanks again friends. Overwhelmed.
Yes the two marriages are his and also Sophia is his daughter.
I think he may have reversed his Henry Samuel in the 1901 census as he died in 1909. The 1871 is also his as is Charles Henry - my grandfather.
Sophia married Nehemiah Stoneman not long after Samuels 2nd marriage.
They all seem to be my family's records.

Grace x

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 11:41

Henry Darling on Venus' is the stumbling block it seems as there are two Henry's (in fact hundreds as Seamen)
This was the reason the genealogist suggested about the two Henry's and how did I know mine was the one born in Adare.


Grace

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 11:42

That was the reason I turned to Devon for their records as it was Topsham Devon I noticed and they suggested he popped in and out of Devon??
Grace

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 11:47

Just to add to the confusion: Charles Henry was also in the Navy but I have all his records. He changed his birth date to sign on as a 'boy' as a 12 year old.
Grace

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 1 May 2011 11:52

Are the witnesses on the marriage certificates of any use??

Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 1 May 2011 11:55

Have you considered this chap??

1861 England Census
about Henry Darling
Name: Henry Darling
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Private R M (Private)
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: At Sea
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: SINGLE

Registration district: Royal Navy
Sub-registration district: Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel: James Watt
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 4433
Folio: 43
Page Number: 36


1871 England Census
about Henry Darling
Name: Henry Darling >>>>> now MARRIED
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Private Rm S I (Private)
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Hamoaze
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Tamar
ED, institution, or vessel: Indus (2)
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 2140
Folio: 67
Page Number: 23

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 11:56

Yes Dee,

I'll pop and get them - please give me time as I'm disable/old - lol and will need several minutes.

XX

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 1 May 2011 12:03

1901 England Census
about Henry S Darling
Name: Henry S Darling
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Darling
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: General labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 514
Piece: 2098
Folio: 35
Page Number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Henry S Darling 64 >> 69 on image
Sarah Darling 69


1891 England Census
about Henry Darling
Name: Henry Darling
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Darling
Gender: Male
Where born: Wembury

Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1731
Folio: 23
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Darling 59
Sarah Darling 52


Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 12:07

1st marriage: St Andrew Plymouth Devon to Elizabeth Mary Grace SOPER 30 Spinster May 16 1864
Samuel Henry Darling 28 Bachelor - Mariner of 4 Holy Cross Lane
Father Henry Darling Mariner.
Witnesses Harriet Soper and William Bter?? Henry White

2nd marriage: St Peter Plymouth Devon April 22 1888
Samuel Henry Darling 54 Widower - Mariner of 7 Francis Place
Father Henry Darling Mariner.
Sarah Dawe (no age) Spinster 7 Francis Place Father Samuel Dawe - Tailor

Witnesses: William Soper and Sophia Darling (Sam's daughter)

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 12:12

Thanks Batman's daughter

They are the couple in the second marriage where he reverses his name AARGH but still in a quandry over his birth and parents.
Thanks for your info'

Grace x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 1 May 2011 12:13

So the 1891 census ties in as they are living at Francis Street

Grace

Grace Report 1 May 2011 12:18

B.Man's dau.

Doing some sums on your info and the 'Indus' is one of the ships Charles Henry (my g/father) served on.
Could this indeed be my ancestors born in Oxford ??
Needs looking into I think so grateful thanks.

Grace x
p.s. Watt is a name I seem to remember I'll have a looksee.