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I am having problems finding family members as my grandfather in law changed his name, he was calling himself Thomas Mallaburn Gibson [born1867] in 1907 and Thomas Mallaburn after 1915 no birth record for either name.I know he had a daughter Frances to his first wife she was calling herself Mallaburn when she married in 1927, no birth record for her either, would info on her marrage cetificate give her mothers maiden name

Where are we talking about Leigh?
Jan

Is this Frances? If so, no info about mother on cert as married in England/Wales.

Marriages Mar 1927 (>99%)
MALLABOURNE Frances MCMULLEN Gateshead 10a 1376

Do you have a marriage cert for him? Or found him on a census?

Jan

If you bought the marriage certificate it would give her approximate age.

There is this birth as a possibility:-

Name: MALLABURN, Frances
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1891
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 228

Kath. x

How do you know Thomas was born in 1867 if you haven't found a birth certificate?

Kath. x

Is this Frances's death?
Frances McMullen
Birth Date: 4 Nov 1903
Date of Registration: Oct 1990
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Jarrow
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 1237

Why have you put the dates of 1907 and 1915

What evidence do you have for those dates

Leigh has Thomas Mallaburn, 1864, possibly born Newburn, in his tree.

This death?
Thomas Mallaburn
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Alnwick
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 484

Added:
And Frances, 1901.

yes I made an error Thomas b1864 d Alnwick 1927age 63 second partner Sarah Jane Pletts 1882 1956
Reuben Mallaburn Gibson 1907
Norman mallaburn Gibson 1908
Jennie mallaburn Gibson 1912
Albert Mallaburn 1915
Lillian Mallaburn 1917
Elizabeth Mallaburn 1919
William Mallaburn 1923
He Had at least 2 daughters to his first wife
Frances m Aurther mcmullen 1927
Ina Mallaburn d1921 Alnwick Northumberland
I can find no record of these 2 birth records
guessing born Durham

The only birth i can find for a Albert Mallaburn in 1915 is this one

Births Sep 1915

Mallaburn Albert mmn Plotts Cockermouth 10b 1202 image not good but looks like Pletts to me

and a birth that could be Sarah Jane
Births Jun 1882

Pletts Sarah Jane Lanchester 10a 313

If this is them why do you think they are linked to the Northumberland family,

or durham area? Lanchester is county durham but if the child was born Cockermouth which is cumbria
May be you could give some census info to help with the search


Roy

possible marriage for Sarah

Marriages Sep 1901

DONNELLY George Edward Gateshead 10a 1552
MARCH Christina Gateshead 10a 1552
Pletts Sarah Jane Gateshead 10a 1552
TODD George William Gateshead 10a 1552

Roy

Yes Sarah was married to George Todd I dont think she ever divorced or married Thomas Mallaburn
My mother in law was Elizabeth 1919 she was told her father came from Durham he was a miner and came to Alnwick to work at Shilbottle pit
Ruebens grandson gave me a copy of Reubens birth certificate that is how i found out he was Reuben Mallaburn Gibson,no one knows were the Gibson came from

It could be that Thomas Mallaburn Gibson was illegitimate, in which case i would suggest that his middle name could have been taken from his father and Gibson being his mother, Have you got him on any early census's that may help

Roy

I have not been able to find him on any of the census when the 1911 cencus was releaced and i knew he was calling himself Gibson his wifes name and children i thought it would be a peace of cake.How wrong I was but never mind he is the one that keeps me busy and up at night
many thank to you all
Leigh x

Just for ref:
Ina Mallaburn
Birth Date: abt 1903
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921
Age at Death: 18
Registration district: Alnwick
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 661

birth ? assuming he could be illegitimate
Births Mar 1863
GIBSON Thomas Alnwick 10b 301

No Mallaburn births Alnwick for 1864 +/- 5years

what evidance have you got that confirms Thomas Mallaburn Gibson was born 1864 Alnwick? is it the 1911 census?


Roy

Roy,

Leigh hasn't found them in 1911. Here are the closest births around that time.

Births Dec 1908
Gibson Norman Malaburn Morpeth 10b 455

Births Jun 1912
Gibson Jennie M Pletts Durham 10a 899

Rose

Leigh's post's are not clear,

Thomas Mallaburn Gibson born1864 in 1907 and Thomas Mallaburn after 1915 ? then goes on to say this is based on a birth cert for Reuben Mallaburn Gibson 1907
Note, births registration was not compulary in 1864

but then says he had two daughters born to his first marrage? (who too) cannot find that marriage, but the children of the marriage are named Frances and Ina Mallaburn
so they where born before Reuben but do not have the last name Gibson?

then the mystery or Albert Mallaburn born 1915 only record of his birth i could find was Cockermouth? wrong place when all the rest where Durham or northumberland and no births for any Mallaburn or variant 1864+/-in Alnwick but their was only one Thomas Gibson born 1863 +/-

I think Leigh will need to buy some certs to confirm these people are related before this can go forward or find them on the census

Roy

Edit for info
Was Frances and Ina twins? I cannot find their births but according to death dates they where both born 1903 Ina died in 1921 and Frances married Mr McMullen in 1927 it looks like they had children

Births Jun 1928 McMullen Arthur Mallaburn Alnwick

And
Births Sep Births Sep 1932 McMullen Ruby Mallaburn

But Ruby is a late entry and on that same page their is an Ina and they where both actually born sept quarter 1924 when you check the index in sept 24 for her entry (Hand written) it shows her and an Ina McMullen mmn Mallaburn

Ina is mistranscribed on the 1932 entry as mmn wallaburn but it looks like Ina and Ruby could be twins they do have the same vol and page number

Just for reference, and for possible area in 1911:
Births Dec 1908
Gibson Norman Malaburn Morpeth 10b 455
Births Jun 1912
Gibson Jennie M Pletts Durham 10a 899

I have proof of all children born to Sarah and Thomas, Apparently he worked in various mines Durham ,Cockermouth
Hexham and Shilbottle near Alnwick
It is Before he was in these areas that I cant trace No idea who his first wife I do know Frances's grandchildren,they know nothing much regarding her past other than her mother died when she was 4,the McMullens are all burried in alnwick Frances, Aurther 1901, Ruby&ina Twins Pearl,and Aurther but this does not help in tracing Thomas Mallaburn or births for fist family,To be honest I think he may have had conections to Gibsons and Mallaburns but I dont think his real name was either,maybe had a murky past?

many thanks again
Leigh x