Genealogy Chat

Hi John

Yes I have the Marriage Cert, Witnesses were John Jones and Margaret Williams, no connection as far as I know of on 16.5.1842, Eliza is living at Court Llnanthew, John Weaver, Labourer, just listed as Llanthew by Banns.
Both deaths are correct, sadly John dies from falling off a cart and a Coroner's Inquest so no family registered it.
John being remarried is not something that I have found as yet but have assumed it to be incorrect in 1871, maybe I should check that again!
3 of the children died young, Eliza aged 20 in 1866, Sylvia Sept 1861 registered by Dad, James in Jun 1861 registered by Mum.
Thank you Patchem as well for your info, it is much appreciated.

Kind regards
Amanda

Suzanne - watch for those jets as you lie on beach at Church Bay or Trearddur Bay :-(

Amanda - not really helping you much yet, I fear. Have you found John or Eliza on C1841. Or Eliza's father? How do you know that the 1842 marriage in Llanthew is correct one? Or DAVIS is her maiden name? Doesn't seem a good fit, but you may have records that prove it was right marriage and right Eliza.

I agree about C1871. He has said "married" but I sometimes think they said "married" if they had been once. I feel sure he had been a widower for 8 years at that time, his daughter is his housekeeper and surely would not be if he had married a second time.

One of mine fell off a cart. He would go to pub and get rolling drunk and used to be carried to his cart nearly unconscious. He would tell his horse to giddy up and horse used to take him 2 miles from the pub to his house whilst he slept in the cart. He fell out of cart and went between shafts, was run over by back wheels and was found dead at side of road following morning. Horse got home safe. Hope your John was more sober. :-D

Hi John,

Yes it's the right Marriage, it took me a long time to find it but his father is John Weaver, a carpenter, it just doesn't say deceased on the marriage cert.
I am sure it's the right Marriage.
All I knew was that Eliza's Maiden name was Davies from the birth cert I have.
John's father died 1839 in Mordiford so I think he went to get work to support the family,
He might have had a few drinks when he fell off his cart but it says fracture!
I can't prove either of them in1841 as he's not at home, but the Weaver side I have done, it's just the place of Birth for Eliza I am having problems with.
Thank you very much for your help..

Kind regards
Amanda

Hi
I am researching my husband's family. However, I am having great difficulty with his grandmother. It would appear her name is Mary Jane Morgan. Father's name, Thomas Morgan, a miner. We have a wedding picture taken by a phototgrapher in Pontypridd, Glamorgan so it would seem that they married in that area. The only couple I could find was married Nov 3, 1914. From that her birth date would be 1894. However, I can find nothing more. She was living in Groes Wen Glamorgan at the time of her marriage. I have a feeling she was born in Glamorganshire, but am not absolutely certain. Any help would be much appreciated

Georgina

On the wedding picture, does it look like November?
Can your husband remember when and where she died (just to cross-check for age at death)?
Is this the marriage you refer to?
Marriages Dec 1914
Morgan Mary J Lewis Pontypridd 11a 1461

Hi Georgina:-)

Many thanks for query. Thanks for quick reply, Patchem, and answers to those questions should lead us to an answer here.

There is a Mary Jane MORGAN on an Ancestry tree and perhaps she may be the one. Or one you can definitley eliminate.

This one was from a Welsh speaking family (sister Blodwen, first language Welsh etc) from Pyle in Glamorgan (Bridgend area?). So this Mary Jane MORGAN was 6 and living with parents in C1901 at 158 Ynyscynon Road, which I think is Tonypandy area. Main road through Llwynypia by memory. Father Thomas MORGAN (1860-19010, b Pyle, miner and mother Elizabeth JONES (1860-1946), also born Pyle. Md Thomas WILLIAMS in 1912 in Merthyr area (aged 17) and had daughter Irene b 1916 (oops, less that 100 years and she is virtually same age as my mil!!). But will take chance as it may help to identify if right Mary Jane.

Groes-wen was puzzling me, as it seems a bit too far to the south to fit well, but that place may be a red herring if 1914 marriage is wrong one.

If this Mary Jane WILLIAMS (nee MORGAN) is right one, she died 13 Aug 1962 at 3 Blaen Carno in Pantywaun.

Amanda

Thanks for confirming marriage. Sorry to doubt, but was not sure why you had picked Llanthew in BRE. One avenue I may try is to find on C1841 was where John WEAVER was living. If it was in that area, he must stick out somewhere like a sore thumb. And his future wife may be in that area too, probably in service but, just possibly, with her parents.

What is your geography like? How does LLanthew lie in relation to either Clas (in St Harmon, Rads) or Glascwm in Rads?

Arrgghhh Just spotted them both in C1841, working as servants at farm in Llanthew (Llanthew Court). Both born out of county of Breconshire - John WEAVER, 25 and Eliza DAVIES, 20. Only other servant born out of county was Eleanor JONES, 45 - slight chance she may have been an aunt of Eliza.

What a tough one - Amanda. At least it is a problem shared. :-S :-)

Whitchurch, Cardiff, South Glamorgan [yr Eglwys Newydd]

I have the parish records of births, burials and baptisms from early 1700's to 1932 if anyone wants me to look for some info for them

For those of you who are overseas, could I explain that there are seven places called Whitchurch in the UK - this one is in South Wales!!

I don't come on this board very often so send me a message if you want help

Ann X

Hi

My Mary Jane Morgan (Lewis) died in the 1940's. Probably the late 40's. Actually the English verson of the place she was living is White Cross. My husband's father was also born there. The marriage picture does look like it could be November, but it's really hard to tell. White Cross is part of Caerphilly Glamorgan. I know that she was living in Abertrwdr Glamorgan in 1942 because my husband's father was living with them at the time of his marriage. But nobody seems to know anything that would be helpful

Thanks
Georgina

Sorry
I should have mentioned that her maiden name is Morgan & she married a David Lewis from Sennybridge Breconshire. Since I couldn't find any other match It would appear that the 1914 marriage is the correct one. I have the certificate & I feel sure it is correct.

Thanks
Georgina

?
Mary J Lewis
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1947
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: East Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 391

?
Mary J Lewis
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1945
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: East Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 790

?
Mary J Lewis
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1948
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: East Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 309

(There are others, also)

Hi John,

Oh thank you so much for the 1841, I didn't spot them together!
A Margaret Williams on the same page, possibly the Witness at their wedding.
Just shows that another pair of eyes might always see something you didn't.

Glascwm might well be the place, seems to be the right County as well.

Many thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Amanda

Patchem thanks
It is mind boggling. I also have found several death records. What I would really like to find is more family information, mother, siblings etc., but other than her father's name, I don't see any way to proceed??????

Georgina

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate?
Nobody to ask for a more exact death date?

On the marriage certificate the witnesses were Edward Jones, Jennie Phillips & it looks something like Mary (can't read) Watkins - Parish of Eglwysilan by licence, Groeswen Chapel Taffwell

Georgina

Amanda Two pairs of eyes are always better than one, aren't they. You often spot something new. But whether Eliza DAVIES came from Glascwm or Clas in St Harmons parish, it will stil be a struggle to find her baptism. But I think perhaps a dig through registers of both places may throw her up. Silvia (her daughter) still intrigues me, but that might have been a name on the WEAVER side.

So these two loverbirds both found themselves working at Lanthew Court Farm in C1841. How romantic <3 I wonder if the older lady born out of county was anything to do with Eliza. I am assuming she would have been the "Mrs Bridges" on the household and may well have employed a maid that she knew well. I did not see the witness on same page.

Patchem and Georgina Wow!! Only went out to work for a few hours and you have really motored. Will have a look in a few minutes and see if I can see anything to add.

AnnCardiff . That is lovely of you. Whitchurch must be quite an interesting parish. Don't know it at all well, but I think there is a nice pub just off J32 M4 (about 500 yards down hill on left?). Don't drink - but works do's always seem to be there.

Suzanne Must look up a query for you in Ynys Mon. Not many on my tree were Anglesey, unfortunately. The bravest thing I have done in my life was in 1967. Walked from Bangor over Menai Bridge and didn't want to go back same way. So walked back over the Britannia Bridge. Frightened out of my life, but no train came. Aroung the lions on the Caerns side were a couple of sheep mangled by a train. That could have been me - oh, the folly of youth :-) Big fire in Britannia following year.

Georgina and Patchem

Only thing I can add is a bit of geography. Abertridwr and Groeswen (White Cross in English) are in Senghenydd area north of Caerphilly (big coal area, big disaster there I think). Is is possible that Sennybridge in BRE could be Senghennydd or are you certain he was from Sennybridge - a place made famous by generations of soldiers attending Sunday service with a lady who played one hymn on the organ and sang something entirely different. :-D

The Hollybush on the end of my road

AnnC Thats the one :-D CU in Asda:-)

Georgina Think Senghennydd has given me Mary Jane. Hope so. What do you think?

C1891 49 Pontypridd Road, Porth (opposite Morrisons supermarket)
Josiah MORGAN, 29, b Tythegston, Glam
Mary Jane, 23, b Aberdare
Gwenllian, dau, 3, b Porth
Sarah Ann, dau, 18 m, b Porth
William MORGAN, brother, 21, s, b Tythegston
3 servants - think Josiah and William may be auctioneers, but diff to read

C1901 121 Commercial St, Senghennydd
Jennie JONES, visitor, s, 32, dressmaker, b Cwmbran, MON
Gwenllian MORGAN, 13, b Porth
Sarah A MORGAN, 11, b Porth
Josiah, 8, b Porth
Mary J, 5, b Porth

C1911 Bodawen, Caerphilly
Josiah MORGAN, 49, widower, estate agent, b Tythegston
Josiah Lewis MORGAN, son, 17, apprentice fitter, b Porth (Llanwonno parish)
4 servants