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I have received a Marriage Certificate for THOMAS Wakelen and Isabella ??? However I cant read the writting for Isabella's last name.. It appears that when it was transcribed to Genes reunited it was stated that it was Lemmen but it seems that its not.
Where do I go from here...???? any helpful hints...

When and where did it take place Kim?
Jan

Here it is on Freebmd:

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
Houston William Durham 10a 480
Lemmen Isabella Durham 10a 480
Stevenson Elizabeth Durham 10a 480
WAKELEN Thomas Durham 10a 48

Why do you think this is wrong? Obviously it isn't possible to say who married who of the above 2 couples.

Jan

Just a tip - always use Freebmd for English/Welsh records 1837-about 1955. Costs nothing and the best resource.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Jan

I have checked image on Freebmd, and Isabella's surname is def. recorded as Lemmen.
Jan

from family search

groom's name: Thomas Wakelen
groom's birth date: 1856
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 20
bride's name: Isabella Lemmen
bride's birth date: 1856
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 20
marriage date: 11th June 1876
marriage place: Belmont, Durham, England
groom's father's name: John Wakelen
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Robert Lemmen

There are four birth registrations in the county of Durham across the ten year period from 1851 to 1861 for Is*b* Lem*:

Name/Quarter when birth registered/Registration district/Inferred County
Isabella Lemen Oct-Nov-Dec 1855 Durham Durham
Isabella Lemon Jul-Aug-Sep 1851 Easington Durham
Isabella Lemon Jan-Feb-Mar 1855 Gateshead Durham
Isabella Lemon Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Stockton Durham

Is this the couple on the 1881 census in St Giles, Durham?

Thomas Wakeling b abt 1859 in Braintree, Essex, England Head
Isabella Wakeling b abt 1856 in Gilesgatemoor, Durham, England Wife
Anne Wakeling b abt 1877 in Draggonvilla, Durham, England Daughter
Rebecca Wakeling b abt 1879 Old Durham Gardens, Durham, England Daughter
John Thomas Wakeling (under 1 yr) b Teasdale Terrace, Durham, England Son

If so, then since Gilesgate is not only in the county of Durham but actually within the town of Durham, it might be worth getting this birth certificate:

Name: Isabella Lemen
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1855
Registration district: Durham
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 225

It is not easy to find a suitable match for Isabella in 1861 or 1871. Her mother may have remarried, so that Isabella is listed with her stepfather's name?

possibly -


Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HEMSLEY Robert Durham 10a 358
>>>>>Lemen Robert Durham 10a 358
SPENCE Jane Durham 10a 358
>>>>>Wilson Mary Ann Durham 10a 358


Deaths Sep 1856 (>99%)
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LEEMON Robert Durham 10a 126


Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dunn Margaret Sunderland 10a 543
>>>>>Lemon Mary Ann Sunderland 10a 543
Liddle Thomas Sunderland 10a 543
>>>>>Richardson John Sunderland 10a 543


1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 3798
Folio: 71
Page: 47
Reg. District: Gateshead
Sub District: 1 Heworth
Parish: Heworth
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Heworth
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Heworth Shore, Heworth
County: Durham

RICHARDSON, John Head Married M 28 1833 Tile Maker
Sunderland, Durham
RICHARDSON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 30 1831
Durham
>>>>>RICHARDSON, Isabella Daughter F 6 1855
Durham
RICHARDSON, Joseph Son M 3 1858
Durham
RICHARDSON, John George Son M 0 (8M) 1861
Durham

The best thing would be to get a copy of the entry in the parish register which should be the most authentic and if she could sign her name may have her actual signature.

Remember that local clerks copied out the data and forwarded it to the GRO. Clerks at the GRO then prepare a (typed in this case) list for the index.

wow you guys.... thank you all that will give me some more details to work with....

Kim sent this PM on 2nd - only just picked it up as working all day yesterday!

'Thanks for your info.. the reason i think it is wrong is i cant locate any isabella lemmen's at all in the censes or her dad family etc... when you look at the names on the marriage cert the name looks longer than lemmen.... '

Sorry if I have missed something above, but it wasn't clear what you meant on your original posting. What if you send image to me, & maybe others if they are happy to check, so we can have a look? You can attach it to a PM I think.

What is her father's name on the cert?

Jan

according to the marriage details from familysearch.org Isabella's father is listed as Robert Lemmen.

so 2 different sites state the name as Lemmen

Nudging this as Kim has sent me the image via PM.
It doesn't tell us any more, definitely says Lemmen.
Jan

hey guys.. am back here again... have taken your advice Ivy and ordered the birth certificate.. should come next week.

have also been playing around with all the names that have been given to me..

again big thanks to all your help
:-D

Fingers crossed for that cert.

Just on the off-chance - drawn to this as mother is called Isabell. This Robert is a miner, don't know if that helps much in Durham!!

1851 England Census

Name: Robert Lemmon
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Lemmon
Mother's name: Isabell Lemmon
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Mount, Durham, England

Civil parish: Urpeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Pelton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub-registration district: Chester

John Lemmon 64
Isabell Lemmon 58
John Lemmon 29
Robert Lemmon 24
Ellen Lemmon 16
Margaret Lemmon 12
John Forster Lemmon 3
Thomas Mould 53

Jan

Using the local index http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/
Surname Forename(s) Year District
WAKELEN Thomas 1876 Durham Central
LEMMON Isabella 1876 Durham Central
LEMMEN Isabella 1876 Durham Central
WAKSLEN Thomas 1876 Durham Central
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DCCE2/1 - 213 - Durham Central (1876)
[DCCE2 is, I think, the code for St. Mary Magdalene Belmont]

Seems like they had difficulty transcribing both surnames

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/116204 2km E of Gilesgate

MGNV.. you are not wrong.. took me ages but as everyone says. If you say it thats what wakelen sounds like and lemmon has so many spellings.....

Brummiejan... i found that one a couple of days ago so a bit more info to add.. every census has the name spelt different... also cant quite work out who the grandson belongs too... bit of a mistery there... hmmm i spelt that wrong....
in the 1861 censes there is john and isabella then john forster the grandson and two other grandsons with the surname Dunn... so more and more time spent on the computer...

thanks all again... its great reading all the posts...
:-D

mgnv... i just clicked on that link you gave me.. wow.. next time i am up north i will have to visit that chuch....