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James best to contact Tony by sending him a message doubt he will be looking for any reply now

Hi Tony....the one who posted here on 20/04/2014. Yes...any info you have on this would be great thanks....I am doing this for a family friend.

James

Hi Tony

As you've picked up on a 2 year old thread, it might be best to ask James off board in case he no longer checks his thread.

Just click on his name and send a PM (personal message) . As long as he hasn't changed his email address GR will notify him that you have information of interest

Are you still looking for information on this, I have the parish registers for thornborough, aylesbury and buckingham?

Hi K...thanks for the above info. My Dad was looking about earlier and found this William J Dormer in the 1891 Census in London so looks like it is the same one...will notify the family friend I was doing this for to see what he thinks

Possible 1891 for John - listed as a baker which is the same occupation as listed on his enlistment papers for the army

Name: William J Dormer
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: NK (not known); Wood Ham

Civil parish: St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Knightsbridge All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 83
Folio: 154
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Allen 51
Alfred Allen 24
Francis Lenoch 55
Daniel Barrett 31
William J Dormer 19
Arthur Golds 26
Harriet Golds 25
Harry S Golds 7 Months

1891? The birth place of Martha ties in with Martha Dormer in 1881

RIDGWAY, George Head Married M 79 1812 Agricultural Labourer
Thornborough, Buckinghamshire
RIDGWAY, Martha Wife Married F 54 1837 Lace Maker
Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire

Piece: 1154

Folio: 18

Page: 12

Registration District: Newport Pagnell

Civil Parish: Thornborough

Municipal Borough:

Address: Nash Road, Thornborough

County: Buckinghamshire

The death you found in 1906 does look like it should be the right Martha with the right age. The other death for Martha (Dormer) is Wycombe Registration District outside the area that she previously lived.

As Martha Ridgway is listed at the next of kin on her son's enlistment then I think that 1906 death would be the right one. Her marriage cert to George Ridgway would help confirm this.

William John Dormer joined up in July 1891. Will have another look at the 1891 census

Name: Martha Ridgway
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1906
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Buckingham
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 472

If she did marry George Ridgway, there is a death in 1906 for a Martha Ridgway.. Also noticed a death in 1900 for a Martha Dormer so was wondering if either of these was the correct one. Both deaths are in Buckinghamshire. Also cannot find anything in 1891 census for either of them or the son John. I know he joined Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders at Stirling, Scotland in 1891 but not sure if it was before or after the census date. He is not on the 1891 Scotland Census.

I think this is the couple for the marriage that safc found and James mentioned. There is no sign of a son William John and Joseph is a bricklayer

1881

Name: Joseph Dormer
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Dormer
Gender: Male
Where born: Marlow, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Upper Marefield
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Bricklayers Lab

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1466
Folio: 102
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Dormer 41
Martha Dormer 44
Elizabeth Gammell 84
Jane Cutler 9

The family I posted in 1881 living next door to Martha and William John, include a possible brother of Martha who is listed as Joseph Dormer who is listed as a gamekeeper.

As Shirley said the marrage cert of Martha to Mr Ridgway should confirm her father's name and would be a good way forward

????

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Darvill Fanny Wycombe 3a 609
Dormer Joseph Wycombe 3a 609 xxxx
Pearce Martha Wycombe 3a 609 xxxx
Tucker William Wycombe 3a 609

This is him as mother is Martha Ridgeway on his Attestation papers she is the only Person mentioned there...Father not mentioned.

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about William John Dormer Name: William John Dormer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age at enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: Thornboro
Birth County: Buckinghamshire
Document Year: 1891
Regimental Number: 4140
Regiment Name: Arg & Soffolk Regiment
Number of images: 8

Hi...I looked at the marriage certificate for William John Dormer...he was married in Stirling on 2nd Oct 1896, and gives his age as 23 and he was a private in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. The cerificate shows father name as Joseph Dormer and mother as Martha Beasley. Certificate shows parents still to be alive in 1896 and father Joseph was a gamekeeper. There is a Joseph Dormer in the 1891 census in Buckinghamshire...aged 51 and born in Marlow in 1840 so was wondering if they were the correct parents. If so was wondering where they were at 1881 census...also 1891 census.

Wonder if she was really married??

1861 census transcription details for: Main Street, Maids Moreton, Buckingham

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 877
Folio: 62
Page: 17
Reg. District: Buckingham
Sub District: 1 Leckhampstead
Parish: Maids Moreton
Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Buckingham
Address: Main Street, Maids Moreton, Buckingham
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DORMER, Sarah B Wife Married F 51 1810 Lace Maker
Calverton, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Henry Son Unmarried M 25 1836 Labourer
Waterloo, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Martha Daughter Unmarried F 23 1838 Lace Maker
Waterloo, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, John Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Labourer
Stowe, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Mary A Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar
Silverstone, Northamptonshire
DORMER, Hannah Daughter F 2 1859
Maids Moreton, Buckinghamshire


1871 census transcription details for: Woodham, Waddesdon


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1410
Folio: 119
Page: 21
Reg. District: Aylesbury
Sub District: Haddenham
Parish: Waddesdon
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Woodham, Waddesdon
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DORMER, Martha Head F 32 1839 Buckinghamshire


NOW she says she was born Waddesdon on the 1881 census!!

Cant see a Martha Beasley on the census BUT if she was then her dads name should reflect this on her marriage cert to Mr Ridgway

This family was living next door to Martha in 1881 - brother?

Name: Joseph Dormer
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Dormer
Gender: Male
Where born: Whaddesdon, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Thornborough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bridge Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gamekeeper

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub-registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1484
Folio: 93
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dormer 49
Harriet Dormer 50
Elizabeth Dormer 23
James Dormer 20
John Dormer 16
Sarah Dormer 14
Alice Dormer 10
Emma Dormer 8

I see he joined up in Stirlingshiire in the early 1890,s and was in the Boar War

I wonder if Martha married pre William J''s birth

Name: Martha Darmer
[Martha Dormer]
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Darmer
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Darmer
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Brill, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Silverstone
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Towcester
Sub-registration district: Abthorpe
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 1736
Folio: 29
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Darmer 44
Sarah Ann Darmer 42
Susanna Darmer 21
Joseph Darmer 19
Edwin Darmer 14
Martha Darmer 13
John Darmer 11
Albert Darmer 9
Drucilla Darmer 7
Sarah Ann Darmer 4
Mary Ann Darmer 4 Mo

only finding this Beasley/Dormer marriage
Marriages Mar 1868
BEASLEY Emily Jane Wycombe 3a 501
BEASLY Emily Jane Wycombe 3a 501
Dormer Thomas Wycombe 3a 501


thats this couple tho!!
1881 census transcription details for: Flackwell Heath, Wycombe Old Borough

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1464
Folio: 122
Page: 25
Reg. District: Wycombe
Sub District: High Wycombe
Parish: Wycombe Old Borough
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Flackwell Heath, Wycombe Old Borough
County: Buckinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DORMER, Thomas Head Married M 33 1848 Plate Layer
Wooburn, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Emily Wife Married F 28 1853
Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Ann Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire
DORMER, Fred Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Flackwell Heath, Buckinghamshire

I deleted that 1881 one and reposted as he is with his mum who is widowed and he is down as John. They are living in THornborough