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Frederick William GRAVESON

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Jennifer

Jennifer Report 19 Oct 2012 05:09

This man was born in 1875 in Islington to Frederick William GRAVESON and Jane GREENSTED. He appears in the 1881 census living with his GREENSTED grandparents in Borden, Kent, his father is in London and his mother is nowhere to be found. In 1891 he is living as the stepson of a man called Samuel THOMAS and his wife Maude. I can find no marriage for Samuel and Maud but Maude's details fit with her being Jane GREENSTED, almost. The age is a couple of years out. Frederick then disappears until 1902 when he married Annie Beatrice LA VALETTE PARISOT at St George's Catherdral, Southwark, London. In1908 a child John Parisot GRAVESON is born and in 1911 he is living with Samuel THOMAS's son Capel as his nephew. Still no sign of Frederick and Annie. Frederick married for a second time in 1940 at Ripon Cathedral to Lavinia TWELLS and he died in 1959 in Bristol.
Where on earth did he go in between? What happened to his mother Jane? If anyone can shed any light on this problem I'd be most grateful

Jennie
Coromandel NZ :-S

Penny

Penny Report 19 Oct 2012 05:33

can I break it up a bit? make the facts/series of events easier to comprehend?



1)This man was born in 1875 in Islington to Frederick William GRAVESON and Jane GREENSTED.


He appears in the 1881 census living with his GREENSTED grandparents in Borden, Kent, his father is in London and his mother is nowhere to be found.

In 1891 he is living as the stepson of a man called Samuel THOMAS and his wife Maude.
I can find no marriage for Samuel and Maud but Maude's details fit with her being Jane GREENSTED, almost. The age is a couple of years out.

Frederick then disappears until 1902 when he married Annie Beatrice LA VALETTE PARISOT at St George's Catherdral, Southwark, London.

In1908 a child John Parisot GRAVESON is born and in 1911 he is living with Samuel THOMAS's son Capel as his nephew.
Still no sign of Frederick and Annie.

Frederick married for a second time in 1940 at Ripon Cathedral to Lavinia TWELLS and he died in 1959 in Bristol.

Penny

Penny Report 19 Oct 2012 05:36

parents marriage

Frederick William Graveson Jul-Aug-Sep 1874 Milton Kent
Jane Greensted Jul-Aug-Sep 1874 Milton Kent

who does the marriage cert name as their fathers?
Was Jane a spinster at the time of the marriage?

Penny

Penny Report 19 Oct 2012 05:42

If you are suggesting Jane and Maude are one and tthe same, Maude does appear in 1881 cenus

Samuel E. Thomas 33
Maude Thomas 27
Capel S. Thomas 2

Astra

Astra Report 19 Oct 2012 07:32

On his 1902 marriage to Annie what was Frederick's occupation given as please.

K

K Report 19 Oct 2012 08:20

Maybe it might be worth buying the birth cert of Samuel and Maude's son to check what it says about his mother's maiden name. However Maude does list her age and birthplace as the same as Jane's in 1911

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
Thomas Capel Stanley Lambeth 1d 425

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 19 Oct 2012 08:36

Here is the family in 1901. On the actual census the name reads as Thomas




Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Dulwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page

Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 492
Folio: 198
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel E Florman - Author & Journalist - Westminster
53
Maude Florman - Sittingbourne, Kent
51
Frederick W Florman - son - commercial clerk - Canonbury
25
Cassel S Florman - Lambeth
22
Maude M Florman - Wandsworth
10

It seems that Jane/Maude doesn't want to be found. She appears to have taken on her mother's place of birth. Plus altered her age (probably to make herself younger than Samuel).

I see husband Frederick appears on the 1881 and 1891 censuses claiming to be married, but living alone.


K

K Report 19 Oct 2012 08:41

Frederick in 1911? He is listed as married

Name: Frederick William Gravesend
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: St Georges Restaurant, 176A High Street, Cheltenham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Contractor;s Clerk
Registration district: Cheltenham
Registration District Number: 333
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 15543
Household Members:
Name Age
Reginald Henry Claxton 33
Frances Harriett Claxton 29
Queenie Frances Claxton 10
Reginald George Claxton 9
Florence Frances Claxton 18
William John Plumridge 21
Frederick William Gravesend 35
Edward Clarke 62

K

K Report 19 Oct 2012 08:48

A possible for Annie?

Name: Annie Graveson
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Age at Death: 39
Registration district: Godstone
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 324

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 19 Oct 2012 09:17

If the above death registration is Annie, she may have been in a hospital or asylum in 1911.



ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 19 Oct 2012 09:23

This might be Jane (Maude)

Name: Jane Thomas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Age at Death: 64
Registration district: Epsom
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 58 (click to see others on page)

Astra

Astra Report 19 Oct 2012 11:14

Annie 1911??

G, A Patient Married F 34 1877 Housewife Middlex Barnes

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3271 Reference: RG14PN3271 RD38 SD1 ED28 SN9999 Registration District: Godstone Sub District: Godstone Enumeration District: 28 Parish: Chelsham Address: Warlington County: Surrey

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Oct 2012 15:57

A google search of Frederick William Graveson looks to be bringing up London Gazette articles...(his Father is a Timber Merchant on 1875 Baptism)

Chris :)

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 19 Oct 2012 22:56

HI
Thanks to everyone for their input. I was quite overwhelmed with the response.

Yes Chris his father was a timber merchant

Astra - your idea of Annie being in an asylum had occurred to me. Thanks for finding that entry I shall definitely follow that up.
K - that death you found would tie up with the 1911 census entry that Astra found

Penny - if Maude appears with Samuel in the 1881 census that probably puts pay to the idea that she and Jane could be one and the same person. Now I'm left with trying to work out why Frederick is listed as their stepson in 1891.

Thanks again to everyone. I'll let you know if I make any further progress

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 19 Oct 2012 23:30

But Frederick is listed as their son in 1901, so I would think this shows that Maude and Jane are the same person.

Especially as Maude changes from using Borden (Jane's place of birth) on the 1891 census, to Sittingbourne (Jane's mother's place of birth) on the 1901 census.

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 20 Oct 2012 02:47

But by the 1911 census she's changed back to Borden as her place of birth.

I've gone back to the 1851 census but I can't find anybody with the christian name Maude who was born in Borden at the right time.

It's the use of the word "stepson" in the 1891 census that has my confused.

K

K Report 20 Oct 2012 06:20

Jane presumably had left her husband pre 1881 so the Maude in 1881 could be her. The birth place and age in 1911 are correct. Prevoius to this her husband Samuel could well have given the information,

The use of step son in 1891 refers to Frederick's relationship to Samuel the head of the house and is commonly used for children of a wife's previous marriage or relationship.