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Florence Calver nee Morris / Florence Dowson

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Unknown Report 26 Oct 2012 23:09

I can not find Florence Marden Calver nee Morris b 1884 in the 1911 Census. She is my Great grandmother and married Arthur william Calver in 1903, their first child Arthur Calver was born in 1904 and was resident at 19 Andover Road Twickenham with his grandmother in 1911. I can not find either Florence or Arthur in 1911. I know that they had at least 3 children after this time including my grandfather Herbert in 1917. I know Arthur did leave Florence but have photos of the family circ. 1925 so must have been together until about then.

Florence Dowson b 1885 is on the 1911 Census living in 2 rooms with husband Edward and son Henry b 1909 at 19 Andover Road Twickenham. Strangely Henry (known as Uncle Harry to my mother) changed his name to Calver in 1941, the year after Edward's death. I cannot find a marriage record for Florence and Edward.

Is this some family scandal, how can I find out more or is it purely coincidence?
Any assistance appreciated.

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Oct 2012 23:12

Where was Florence born?

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Oct 2012 23:14

For INFO


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Florence Marden Morris
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1884
Registration district: Uxbridge
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 45


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915

Name: Florence Marden Morris
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 237

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Oct 2012 23:20

Florence wouldn't be the first woman to abandon her husband.........then return to him after her lover died

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Oct 2012 23:24

This cert might give you an answer

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
DOWSON Henry Edward Kingston 2a 479

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 26 Oct 2012 23:35

I don't understand this. You say that Arthur Calver born 1904 was living at 19 Andover Road Twickenham with his grandmother. However this is the record for 19 Andover Road, Twickenham:-

1911 Census transcription details for: 19 Andover Road Twickenham
National Archive Reference: RG14PN6850 RG78PN341 RD128 SD2 ED17 SN23
Reg. District: Brentford
Sub District: Twickenham
Parish: Twickenham
Enum. District: 17

Address: 19 Andover Road Twickenham
County: Middlesex

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

DOWSON, Edward Head Married
3 years M 43 1868 Market Gardeners Labourer Harmondsworth Mdx
DOWSON, Florence Wife Married F 26 1885 Norwood Midx
DOWSON, Henry E Son M 2 1909 Teddington Midx

Kath. x

Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Oct 2012 00:34

KATHLEEN:
Thiat entry is for 2 rooms, 3 rooms were for Mary Morris (Florence's mother), Arthur Calver, Ada Butler (Florence sister) and her 3 children.
That is why it seems so weird that Florence Dowson lives so close.


Household information

Address

19 Andoverrd Twickenham
Parish

Twickenham



Town

Andoverrd Twickenham



Type of Building

Private House



Number of Rooms

3 Rooms



Inhabited

Y



Reference

RG14PN6850 RG78PN341 RD128 SD2 ED17 SN22



Administrative County

Middlesex



Registration District

Brentford



Registration Sub District

Twickenham



Enumeration District

17

Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Oct 2012 00:37

REGGIE:
Florence had 3 more children with Arthur with my grnadad being the youngest in 1917 and Edward did not die until 1940.

I may have to get Henry's certificate to see if the parents name.

It's very confusing and noone alive to ask.

Lynski

Lynski Report 27 Oct 2012 01:10

1911 census -

MORRIS, Mary Head Widow F 65 1846 Croydon Surrey
BUTLER, Ada Daughter Married F 38 1873 General Ironer Linkfeld Surrey
BUTLER, Lilian Grandchild F 10 1901 Chobham Surrey
BUTLER, Edwin Grandchild M 9 1903 Chobham Surrey
BUTLER, Alfred Grandchild M 2 1904 Isle Worth Midx

RG number: RG14
Piece: 6850
Reference: RG14PN6850 RG78PN341 RD128 SD2 ED17 SN22
Registration District: Brentford
Sub District: Twickenham
Enumeration District: 17
Parish: Twickenham
Address: 19 Andoverrd Twickenham
County: Middlesex

Arthur Calver, aged 7, has been missed from the transcription (on FMP) - he is on the original census.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 27 Oct 2012 02:50

Here are the 3:

Births Mar 1912
Dowson Doris M Morris Brentford 3a 208

Births Mar 1915
Calver George E Morris Brentford 3a 218

Births Mar 1917
Calver Herbert A Morris Brentford 3a 163

Looks like Edward was around for a little longer and then Arthur was back in the picture.

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 27 Oct 2012 02:56

When was Arthur William born?

Rose

Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Oct 2012 12:08

Lynski - thanks how do you get it to copy like that Or do you have to copy and amend.

Ann-Marie

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Unknown Report 27 Oct 2012 12:17

Rose ; thanks I was struggling to find Doris as was looking up Calver - wow that is a surprise and interesting.

Arthur William I have as being born Isleworth 1884/85 - according to his marriage certificate.

Reggie

Reggie Report 27 Oct 2012 12:35

So, she had further children with Arthur...........if he'd been cuckolded, and taken her back, he'd have made sure she did

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 27 Oct 2012 17:07

How do you know where he was born? That isn't listed on marriage certs? Who was his father?

Rose

Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Oct 2012 17:35

Read it wrong that is where he was resident at time of narriage. The only birth record is 1885 Tendring Essex. His father is named George, a wheelwright.

Lynski

Lynski Report 27 Oct 2012 20:29

Ann-Marie,

I used FMP for that census - I just copied and pasted it.

Unknown

Unknown Report 30 Oct 2012 21:28

Thank yu all your help.