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First Name Abbreviation - Jns

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Andrew

Andrew Report 1 Nov 2012 01:36

What is the full forename for the abbreviation Jns please? I am trying to identify a relative who may have been at Waterloo. The Rolls show a Forename Jns and I cannot find what this means anywhere. Thanks

mgnv

mgnv Report 1 Nov 2012 03:00

I presume it's a male forename you're after.

I don't recognize the abbreviation - near misses are Jas=James, Jos=Joseph and Jno=John.

Berniethatwas

Berniethatwas Report 1 Nov 2012 04:13

Jonas?

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 Nov 2012 08:55

The abbreviation is almost certainly Jno........which is John

KenSE

KenSE Report 1 Nov 2012 09:28

Someone else had that problem, here is the discussion:
http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14942

John

John Report 1 Nov 2012 10:40

I'd agree with Reggie - it may be how they formed their letters.

Derek

Derek Report 1 Nov 2012 11:49

Jno is not and never has been an abbreviation for John.......what a waste of time abbreviating for the sake on one letter........Jno is a well known abbreviation for Jonathan........
If the abbreviation is clearly Jns..I'd always go for Jonas.
Derek.

KenSE

KenSE Report 1 Nov 2012 12:19

You are wrong Derek. Jon is the abbreviation for Jonathan. The use of Jno for John came about when Latin names were used in the Parish Registers and Jno saved several letters.

Reggie

Reggie Report 1 Nov 2012 13:24

Sorry, Derek, but you are wrong

Andysmum

Andysmum Report 1 Nov 2012 14:50

Jno is also a name in its own right and not an abbreviation for anything. It is pronounced Eeno and dates from the days when I and J were interchangeable.

Derek

Derek Report 1 Nov 2012 17:22

ok.mea culpa..oops!!..I'll stick tp Derbyshire!

DazedConfused

DazedConfused Report 2 Nov 2012 16:27

Jno - John/Jonathan
Jas - James
Hy - Henry

And those are just a few - as said before they are from when latin was commonly used in parish records

But also look out for Jacobus for John or James as well.

Andrew

Andrew Report 5 Nov 2012 04:13

Thanks for all of the responses.

I am researching my GGG Grandfather, who we believe fought at the Battle of Waterloo. His Forename was William ( shown as Wm on the Waterloo Medal Roll). There is also another soldier with my family name on the Roll, Forename shown as Jns.

I do have a John in that possible year bracket, but have had no other references to a John from my immediate family being at Waterloo. I dont have a Jonas in my family tree.

In looking through the Waterloo Medal Roll there are a number of soldiers shown with a Forename as Jns. This is the only place I have come across this abbreviation.

Andrew

Andrew Report 5 Nov 2012 04:22

Thanks for the link KenSE, looks like that was not fully resolved either !!

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 5 Nov 2012 09:15

Just checking the Waterloo Medal List, I typed in Jns Smith - about 20 of these appeared. When I typed in Jno Smith there weren't any! So my guess would be that Jns is short for John.

Andysmum

Andysmum Report 5 Nov 2012 15:27

I have just found the following site. I have only looked at the one page, but there is lots of useful information. I have deleted most of the (very long) list, but Jns wasn't on it.

http://www.british-genealogy.com/parish-registers/

When people search a database, they will be searching for example, for the first name "William" rather than Gulielmus, etc.

Therefore we must standardise the input of first names to a modern form.

Note that Latin names were not used in every-day speech. They were only used in the written form.

The every-day speech form ("spoken" in the table below) was essentially the same as we use it today. The Margaretae Simpson of old didn't shout "Bartolomaeus... get in here for dinner!"

When transcribing parish registers from Latin, use the spoken form. That is what people will be looking for when they search a database.

This is not a definitive total list.

Latin Spoken Notes

Jno. John Abbr. of Johannes; not Jonathan. It is always John.

Andrew

Andrew Report 8 Nov 2012 07:30

Thanks ChristinaS.

I believe that, on the balance of probabilities, you are right, Jns is John. It woud be nice if this could be confirmed by other researchers who had family members at Waterloo and were listed on the Medal Roll as Jns.

Both John and William are very very common Fore Names in my familiy past, which adds weight to this also.

Andrew

Andrew Report 8 Nov 2012 07:39

Having just said what I said above...................

I searched the Waterloo Medal Rolls for John Smith, and 77 records show !!!!!!!!!!!

John

John Report 8 Nov 2012 10:44

It occurred to me the other day that it might be the SAME hand compiling this list and that's how he (or indeed she) finished off the writing of the name, probably with pen and ink, starting the last letter at the top to form a loop of the "0" instead of the bottom to form the same loop.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 8 Nov 2012 12:38

Sorry if I misled you there Andrew. I realised there were lots of records for the name John, but none for Jno. There were also about 20 for Jns, which must be an abbreviation for something.