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Need additional assistance - first transcription is from Ancestry and second
is from FMP. One gives birthplace as Stewdmbe and other as Steardwales. Cannot find these place names when I Google them.


1851 England Census
about John Bennett Name: John Bennett
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Bennett
Mother's name: Mary Bennett
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Stewdmbe, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clifton
Town: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 1952
Folio: 122
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
James Bennett 41
Mary Bennett 42
Charles Bennett 20
Thomas Bennett 16
John Bennett 13


1851 census transcription details for: Panters Court, Clifton, Bristol Clifton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1952
Folio: 122
Page: 21
Reg. District: Clifton
Sub District: Clifton
Parish: Clifton
Enum. District: 1D
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Bristol Clifton
Address: Panters Court, Clifton, Bristol Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BENNETT, James Head Married M 41 1810 Carpenter Somerset
BENNETT, Mary Wife Married F 42 1809 Bath, Somerset
BENNETT, Charles Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Hatter Bath, Somerset
BENNETT, Thomas Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Errand Boy Steardwales, Gloucestershire
BENNETT, John Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Errand Boy Steardwales, Gloucestershire

Post the census details that you are looking at and we can have a look and see if we can help. It may help if you add something like - further information needed please - to your original heading

Transcription on FMP says "Steardwales".

Cannot find either Steardwales or Stewdmbe when I Google.

Any suggestions?

Stewdmbe, Gloucestershire, England

Stewdmbe? - Is this a transcription error?

Delighted to have finally found his army file - quality is poor. Here is the summary from Ancestry:

Name: John Bennett
Age at enlistment: 18
Birth Parish: Stroud??
Birth County: Gloucester??

The number assigned to him is 3828 and he enlisted Nov. 7, 1855. Don't know how I missed this file - I've been searching for the past 6 months.

1851 England Census
about John Bennett Name: John Bennett
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Bennett
Mother's name: Mary Bennett
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Stewdmbe, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clifton
Town: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 1952
Folio: 122
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
James Bennett 41
Mary Bennett 42
Charles Bennett 20
Thomas Bennett 16
John Bennett 13

Ann - looking at http://maps.familysearch.org/ it's clear that Strand would be in Westbury on Severn parish, so that is where I'ld look for a baptism.

Looking closely at Strand I wonder if the actual birth was registered as Westbury on Severn it is extremely close to westbury and is probably just a hamlet.

Apologies mgnv Just also checked the OS map, I had never heard Strand mentioned or seen any reference to it all the time I have lived here or when we lived in Lydney 1973-81 and often drove the A48, visited various places en route. I was wrong about Garden cliff too it is at Westbury, thought it was nearer to Newnham, although I have really only photographed it from the other side of the river. Anyway, so Strand does exist in Gloucestershire.

Message for Andysmum ~ just seen your message about Stroudwater being Stroud. I didn't know that. Thank you very much for that information!

Ann - check the inset map on the URL I posted.

Stroud is Gloucestershire but the small towns around Gloucester often get the county town tagged onto the address instead of the county name.

mgnv Garden cliff I believe is at Newnham on Severn. Perhaps the path was known locally as The strand. But I have never heard it in connection with the area.

I am sure this will be Stroud

Sorry. Perhaps I should have said that there is nowhere large enough to merit its own entry in the gazetteer. I imagine the above hamlet is included under Westbury, if it's mentioned at all.

In fact, there are multiple nowheres in the whole country called Strand. The nowhere in the whole country of interest here is the hamlet 1km S of Westbury on Severn:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1397572

John, according to my 1864 gazetteer, Stroudwater was an alternative name for Stroud.

There is nowhere, in the whole country, called Strand, so I agree that it is probably a transcription error.

I disagree with John. My experience is that a single reference to, say, Durham, Banff or Aberdeen usually means the county town. It can help to see the image and see how the enumerator has aligned the single word - i.e., is it aligned with the counties or the towns within that penultimate column.

I would have thought that "Stroud, Gloucestershire" was meant by the enumerator/individual. Usually in these old censuses, the county town is put down where it means the actual county.

Saying that I once had a Stroud Water on a census - and never did get a definitive answer for where that particular location used to be. Theory was the individual concerned was born on the canal or the river at Stroud.

JohnS

Thanks - I'll try Stroud. I am just about at a dead end on this one.