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help please !

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Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Nov 2012 20:30

On looking into 1911 census, my ancester is showing to be step-daughter and her brother to be step-son.
The parents have been married around a year, but both children are 7 and 12
I would assume seeing as they carry the head of the household surname then they would be his...........But if so there is no previous record for the head of the household, which I find extremley strange seeing as he was 49 in the 1911 census.
Could the children be their mothers and he has taken her surname?
Or am I just shooting arrows.
Desperate for guidance please
Sandy :-(

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 20:33

Would seem the children are the mums by a previous relationship. They have then taken the surname of the new husband. .

You can use any name you want as long as its not to defraud or deceive

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 20:34

Care to give some details so we can take a look .

Sandra

Sandra Report 10 Nov 2012 21:26

Hi Shirley
Work this one out lol
Went back to 1901 census to check for brother who would have been 2. I entered his details and it came up with him, his mum as per 1911 and 3 different sisters (who would have been 15,17,19 at 1911 so could have left home) but his father was william c swan........in 1911 it showed as stepson to charles swan
It seems to much of a coincidence to be wrong with his and his mothers details the same.
Possible same father but never actually married till 1910 BUT why would he change name from william c to straight charles swan?
Thanks sandy :-S

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 21:41

Wonder if she married his brother

Deaths Jun 1908
SWAN William Chapman 49 Kettering 3b 91

William Swan was a woodman on the 1901 census aged 40 , so 49 would fit as age on death in 1908

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 21:44

This is the youngest son on the 1901
Deaths Mar 1909
SWAN William Chapman 7 Kettering 3b 123

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 21:46

Charles was Charles Frederick

Marriages Jun 1910
SWAN Charles Frederick Kettering 3b 313
SWAN Hannah Kettering 3b 313


the cert should give their marital status on marriage

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 21:51

so we know what we are looking at !


Name: William C Swan
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Swan
Gender: Male
Where born: Lowick, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Brigstock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brigstock St Andrew and Stanion St Peter
Town: Brigstock
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:Bridge street

Occupation:Timber feller (woodman)

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Thrapston
Sub-registration district: Thrapston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 176
Piece: 1452
Folio: 41
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William C Swan 40
Hannah Swan 38
Amy R Swan 9
Lizzie Swan 7
Annie Swan 5
Harold J Swan 2
William C Swan 1 Month

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1452; Folio: 41; Page:


Births Jun 1892
Swan Amy Rose Thrapston 3b 210

Marriages Dec 1911
Swan Amy R Kettering 3b 429
Wills George Kettering 3b 429

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 22:02

Births Jun 1896
Swan Annie Thrapston 3b 221

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 22:02

1911 census transcription details for: Brampton Ash Northamptonshire

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN18951 RG78PN1131 RD399 SD1 ED28 SN42
Reg. District: Market Harborough
Sub District: Market Harborough
Parish: Brampton Ash
Enum. District: 28
Address: Brampton Ash Northamptonshire
County: Leicestershire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BERRY, Charles Edmund Head Married M 29 1882 Farmer Ashley Northants
BERRY, Effie Florence Wife Married
5 years F 30 1881 Kettering Northants
BERRY, Audrey Daughter F 3 1908 Brampton Ash Northants
BERRY, Alfred Webb Son M 2 1909 Brampton Ash Northants
SWAN, Lizzie Servant Single F 16 1895 Nurse Housemaid Brigstock Northants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
GREEN, Mary Ann Servant Single F 24 1887 Cook General Stoke Albany Northan

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 22:08

Name: Charles F Swan
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 253

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 22:14

Name: William Chapman Swan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1859
Registration district: Thrapston
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 182

son

Name: William Chapman Swan
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901
Registration district: Thrapston
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 210

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Nov 2012 22:16

Name: William Chapman Swan
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Thrapston
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 365

spouse Hannah Swan

marriage seems a bit early would suggest you get one of the childrens birth certs for Hannah's maiden name

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Nov 2012 14:41

nudgy!!

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Nov 2012 15:33

Perhaps she married two people called Swann. This looks like Hannah in the 1871 census and her birth name seems to be Swan/Swann (gives same birth place as on the 1911 census):-

1871 census transcription details for: Sudborough

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1508
Folio: 8
Page: 7
Reg. District: Thrapston
Sub District: Thrapston
Parish: Sudborough
Enum. District: 8B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Sudborough
County: Northamptonshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SWAN, Charles Head M 43 1828 Northamptonshire
SWAN, Sarah Wife F 37 1834 Northamptonshire
SWAN, Frederick Son M 13 1858 Northamptonshire
SWAN, Frances Daughter F 10 1861 Northamptonshire
SWAN, Hannah Daughter F 8 1863 Northamptonshire<<<<<<<<<<
SWAN, Sarah Daughter F 5 1866 Northamptonshire
SWAN, Samuel Plowman Son M 3 1868 Northamptonshire
SWAN, Charles Son M 0 1871 Northamptonshire

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KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Nov 2012 15:35

Same family in the 1881 census:-

1881 census transcription details for: Cottage, Sudborough

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1581
Folio: 6
Page: 6
Reg. District: Thrapston
Sub District: Thrapston
Parish: Sudborough
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Cottage, Sudborough
County: Northamptonshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

SWAN, Charles Head Married M 53 1828 Ag Labr
Sudborough, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Fanny Daughter Single F 20 1861 Dom Gen Servt
Sudborough, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Hannah Daughter Single F 18 1863 Dom Gen Servt
Sudborough, Northamptonshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SWAN, Samuel Son Single M 13 1868 Farm Lad
Sudborough, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Charles Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Sudborough, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Sudborough, Northamptonshire
SWAN, George E Grand Son Single M 0 1881
Luton, Bedfordshire

She then possibly marriage William C. Swan in 1883 and then Charles Swann in 1910.

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KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Nov 2012 15:54

This looks like Charles Swan in the 1881 census (same birth place as on the 1911 census although age is out a bit and working in an ironstone mine):-

1881 census transcription details for: Village St, Lowick

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 1580
Folio: 94
Page: 7
Reg. District: Thrapston
Sub District: Thrapston
Parish: Lowick
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Village St, Lowick
County: Northamptonshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

SWAN, George Head Married M 51 1830 Woodman
Lowick, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Charles Son Single M 24 1857 Ironstone Miner
Lowick, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Mary A Daughter Single F 19 1862 Housekeeper
Lowick, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Rose Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Lowick, Northamptonshire

The marriage certificate to Hannah would confirm Charles's father's name.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Nov 2012 15:59

Same Charles in the 1891 census:-

1891 census transcription details for: Drayton Road, Lowick

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1220
Folio: 85
Page: 6
Reg. District: Thrapston
Sub District: Thrapston
Parish: Lowick
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: Lowick
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Drayton Road, Lowick
County: Northamptonshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

SWAN, George Head Widower M 65 1826 Retired Agricultural Labourer
Lowick, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Charles Son Single M 34 1857 Iron Stone Labourer
Lowick, Northamptonshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SWAN, Rose Daughter Single F 21 1870
Lowick, Northamptonshire

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KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 11 Nov 2012 16:01

Same Charles in the 1901 census (he's a bit older still) Perhaps he took a bit off his age in 1911 so he seemed nearer in age to Hannah):-

1901 census transcription details for: Drayton Road, Lowick

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1452
Folio: 71
Page: 6
Reg. District: Thrapston
Sub District: Thrapston
Parish: Lowick
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: Lowick
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Drayton Road, Lowick
County: Northamptonshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

SWAN, George Head Widower M 74 1827 Retired General Farm Labourer
Lowick, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Charles Son Single M 45 1856 Ironstone Labourer
Lowick, Northamptonshire
SWAN, Rose Daughter Single F 30 1871
Lowick, Northamptonshire
PRYKE, Gertrude Grand Daughter F 2 1899
Peckham, London

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