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Name seems to have disappeared on 1891 Census?

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KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 21 Nov 2012 04:26

I was doing a check on my William Vevers b. 1850, on the 1891 Census and the last time I looked I had to use the name NEVIES as it wasn't under VEVERS - and it still isn't under VEVERS? (The kind folk at the Mormon Church found it under NEVIES for me, after I'd tried for months to find it.).

And would you believe it is the only Census page I haven't got a copy of either!!

Now it seems to have got lost somewhere? I've looked under the above name and tried a multitude of variations using the "similar sounding" buttons etc. The strange thing is I could find it before the "change over".

If anybody has any ideas I'd be very grateful. I'm hoping it's something very simple...

Cheers.

Kiwi Joy.

Moonbeam

Moonbeam Report 21 Nov 2012 05:01

Can you give more information about this person eg. place of birth, spouse or other family members on census.

I don't see any Nevies although there is a Neaves and a Neves. Also a couple of Vevers and Veevers. All on Ancestry.

Penny

Penny Report 21 Nov 2012 05:14

Do you remember where he was?

Was he the one born Bowness?

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 21 Nov 2012 06:25

Hi, Penny and Moonbeam

I have William b. 1850, Bowness, Carlisle
Wife Bridget b. 1849, Carlisle
Mary E, daughter b. 1872 Carlisle
Margaret A, daughter b. 1875
John, son b. 1877
William, son b. 1879
James Toward, son b. 1881

The above was taken off the 1881 Census.

Hope that's O.K.

Penny

Penny Report 21 Nov 2012 07:08

I cant even find that!

Choccy

Choccy Report 21 Nov 2012 07:10


this looks like the right family, although the wife is now Sarah ?

William's occupation is completely different - is this another family ?


1891

RG number RG12
Piece: 4193
Folio: 39
Page: 9
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Westgate
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St John
City/Municipal Borough: Newcastle upon Tyne
Address: 21, Waterloo Street, Westgate, Newcastle Upon Tyne
County: Northumberland


VEVERS, Wm Head Married M 40 1851 Butcher
Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Sarah Wife Married F 39 1852
Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Mary Daughter Single F 19 1872 General Servants
Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Magt Anne Daughter F 16 1875 General Servants
Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, John Son Single M 14 1877 Grocers Assistant
Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, William Son Single M 13 1878 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Samuel Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Newcastle on Tyne (READS TOWARD ON THE ORIGINAL)
VEVERS, Richard Son M 0 1891
Newcastle on Tyne



NB in 1881 they were living at 19 Waterloo Street


1881

RG number: RG11
Piece: 5050
Folio: 27
Page: 10
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Westgate
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 19, Waterloo St, Westgate
County: Northumberland

VEVERS, William Head Married M 30 1851 Bricklayer
Carlisle, Cumberland
VEVERS, Bridget Wife Married F 28 1853
Carlisle, Cumberland
VEVERS, Mary E Daughter Single F 9 1872
Carlisle, Cumberland
VEVERS, Margaret A Daughter Single F 5 1876
Carlisle, Cumberland
VEVERS, John Son Single M 4 1877
Carlisle, Cumberland
VEVERS, William Son Single M 2 1879
Carlisle, Cumberland

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 21 Nov 2012 09:05

Hi Choccy,

Right - well, William was a Bricklayer on the 1881 Census, so it seems a big jump to him becoming a Butcher?

So, although it seems like Sarah is his wife and Bridget is dead I can't find either a Marriage Cert for Sarah, or a Death Cert for Bridget!?

I have to take into consideration the tale that my mother told me, that my Grandfather told her, that he had to comb his mothers hair because she couldn't do it, so she could have been ill and alive from him being anywhere from age 5 years of age upwards I suppose.

Although I haven't any proof, I'm assuming that Bridget is Dead by 1891 as there is a hereditary disease in the family of which her father died too, plus her son, James Toward, my Grandfather also died with it.

William's son, Richard died in Sept. 1893, William was the informant. Sarah died in 1892. I notice that James Toward b. 1891 isn't on the 1891 Census, but a Samuel b. 1882 is - a year after my Grandfather was born. This is getting very interesting.

Why haven't I found anything on Samuel anywhere before??

Also William later married again to a Margaret Little in 1986.

Hope that helps you. If you need anything else let me know. I shan't be on the Comp. much longer tonight, but I definitely will reply when I'm up in the morning.
Sorry about the time delay but it's one of the quirks of living in New Zealand.

Thanks very much for your help.

Kiwi Joy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Nov 2012 10:00

1911
VEVERS, William Head Married M 58 1853 Bricklayer Cumberland Carlisle
VEVERS, Marget Wife Married15 years F 54 1857 Scotland Canon Tre Resident
VEVERS, Mary Daughter F 10 1901 School Northumberland N C
RG number: RG14
Piece: 30558
Reference: RG14PN30558 RG78PN1752 RD558 SD2 ED1 SN226
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: St Andrew
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: St Andrew
Address: 27 Sheraton St Spital Tongues Newcastle on Tyne
County: Northumberland

1901
VEVERS, William Head Married M 49 1852 Bricklayer
Cumberland
VEVERS, Margaret Wife Married F 44 1857
Scotland
VEVERS, James Son Single M 20 1881 Machine Hand Cabinet Wks
Newcastle
Piece: 4779
Folio: 13
Page: 13
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Municipal Borough:
Address: 27, Sheraton Street, St Andrew
County: Northumberland

(just adding above, was there another 'Thread' relating?)

Chris :)

Choccy

Choccy Report 21 Nov 2012 10:02



The transcribed 'Samuel' on the 1891 census does NOT read Samuel on the original.

It definitely looks like 'TOWARD' to me ? :-S


Choccy

Choccy Report 21 Nov 2012 10:10



the birth of Richard might give a clue as to his parentage -


Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Vevers Richard Newcastle T. 10b 71


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Nov 2012 10:16

Notes that 1891 occ. of William is Builder, not Butcher!.

(would also say that looks like Toward)

Chris :)

1911
VEVERS, James Toward Head Married M 29 1882 Labourer Newcastle on Tyne
VEVERS, Mary Ethel Wife Married10 years F 28 1883 Lead Gate Durham
VEVERS, Margaret Annie Daughter Single F 9 1902 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, Walter Son Single M 6 1905 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, William Son Single M 4 1907 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
VEVERS, Maud Daughter Single F 2 1909 Benwell Newcastle upon Tyne
RG number: RG14
Piece: 30539
Reference: RG14PN30539 RG78PN1751 RD558 SD1 ED1 SN115
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Benwell
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Benwell
Address: 27 Elm St Fenham Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
County: Northumberland

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 21 Nov 2012 20:22

Gosh you have been busy whilst I've been asleep... Thank you Chris Ho and Choccy for all that information,

Bridget, was definitely the mother of Richard, as I have his Birth Cert.

I don't think Sarah and William were together long as she died in 1892. (Have her Death Cert.) Then Richard died the year after that.

Did you find Vevers on 1891 Census on Genes, as I couldn't find it on there at all?

Mary Vevers b. 1891 to Margaret & William. I can't find her birth. I've tried Scotland, as Margaret was Scottish, no luck there though. The last time I found her was on the 1911 Census, as above. Looked under Marriages, Deaths etc. Have either of you any ideas as to where I could look now? I'm only on Genes & I can't find her there after 1911?

Many thanks for your help with the Census, truly appreciate it.

Cheers.

Kiwi Joy.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Nov 2012 21:57

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(above is free!, although not seeing Birth, Mary, have added link for previous 'Thread', before too much gets duplicated)


http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1311383?d=asc

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/tips_board/thread/1250755?d=asc


(not sure about GR Records, but Vevers Find My Past, Nevres Ancestry)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Nov 2012 22:34

(as below GR, found by using reference search)

Nevies Wm 1851 Newcastle On Tyne Newcastle Upon Tyne, Westgate

Chris :)

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 22 Nov 2012 01:18

Hi Chris Ho

Well I don't know how you did it, but I typed "Nevies" in again and it went straight to my William "Vevers 1891".

Honestly, when I think how frustrated I was getting, knowing that William and his family were under "Nevies" and Genes kept saying that there was no such person...

Can you explain to me what you mean be "Using Reference Search"?

Thank you ever so much for all your help. I'm now going to print it off and keep it with the other Vevers!

Cheers.

Kiwi Joy

Penny

Penny Report 22 Nov 2012 05:50

Reference: RG14PN30539 RG78PN1751 RD558 SD1 ED1 SN115

put that info in the search screen boxes.

All the sites use the same refences

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Nov 2012 08:00

On GR 1891 under the Search box at bottom is written 'Search by Reference', then you get asked the below...

Folio
Page Number
Piece Number


(from 1891 posted earlier, you see the below, just add them in)
Piece: 4193
Folio: 39
Page: 9

Chris :)

KiwiJoy

KiwiJoy Report 25 Nov 2012 21:29

My sincere apologies Chris Ho:)

I've only just realised that I didn't thank you for the 'Search Info" above. Haven't been on the Comp. of late as we're getting ready to pop over to Aust. for a holiday.

I'm very grateful for all your help, thank you very much.

Kiwi Joy.