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Can anyone help please with ACCURATE info on the above.
I know her parents were John Deal and Mary Dawkins.
! have census records of 1841/1851/1861/1871 showing her living in Kent.
From 1871 seems vague.
Some trees on Ancestry have her as dying in Stockton, Durham in 1874 and others have her dying in Wokingham, Berks in 1902.
Family Serach shows a Fanny Deal as being buried in Barham, Kent in 1876.
Were there two Fanny Deals in the same family?
Glengyle.

For reference, is this Fanny that you refer to?

1861 census transcription details for: Wootton, Barham

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 518
Folio: 80
Page: 11
Reg. District: Bridge
Sub District: 2 Barham
Parish: Barham
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Wootton, Barham
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DEAL, John Head Married M 52 1809 Labourer Barham, Kent
DEAL, Mary Wife Married F 50 1811 Barham, Kent
DEAL, Fanny Daughter Unmarried F 20 1841 Barham, Kent
DEAL, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 10 1851 Scholar Barham, Kent
CHASE, Cornelious Lodger Unmarried M 22 1839 Shoe Maker Sibertswold, Kent
ATHOW, Robert Lodger Unmarried M 52 1809 Labourer Blind West Cliff, Kent

As they lived in Barham would seem it more likely thats where she died


Edit nope !! have posted below the details for the Barham 1876 burial

BUT that Fanny Deal is too young

Name: Fanny Deal
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1876
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Bridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 418

Now here's a coincidence bearing in mind the name of the lodger in 1871 - Cornelius Chase

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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MarriageFinder: Fanny Deal married Richard Chase <<<<<<<<<<<
Name: DEAL, Fanny
Registration district: Stockton
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1873
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 99


1871 census transcription details for: Port Clarence, Coopen Bewley

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 4899
Folio: 0
Page: 11
Reg. District: Stockton
Sub District: Yarm
Parish: Coopen Bewley
Enum. District: 46
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Port Clarence, Coopen Bewley
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HUNTER, Thomas Head M 46 1825 Northumberland
HUNTER, Sarah Wife F 45 1826 Northumberland
HUNTER, William Son M 22 1849 Northumberland
HUNTER, John Son M 19 1852 Northumberland
HUNTER, George Son M 15 1856 Northumberland
HUNTER, Thomas Son M 12 1859 Northumberland
CHASE, Richard Lodger M 25 1846 Kent <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Labourer in Iron Works
HAWKINS, William Lodger M 26 1845 Kent

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Name: Richard Chase
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1873
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 99
spouse Fanny Deal

Shirley - Fanny is shown born 1841 in the census I posted, I thought that was the age we were looking for????

age ties with her birth and she doesnt show on the 1881 census
Name: Fanny Chase
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Age at Death: 32
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 78

Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: CHASE, Fanny
Registration district: Stockton
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1874
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 32
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 78

Richard in 1881
Name: Richard Chase
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Tilmanstone, Kent, England
Civil parish: Skinningrove
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 6 Furnace Cottage
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Furnance Labourer (Iron)
Registration district: Guisborough
Sub-registration district: Lofthouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4839
Folio: 124
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cason 56
Thursa Cason 51
Charles Cason 23
Catherine Cason 11
James Jex 79
James Hunt 25
Richard Chase 34

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4839; Folio: 124; Page: 51; GSU roll: 1342166.

Could this be Richard in 1881, now single?

1881 census transcription details for: 6, Furnace Cottage, Skiningrove

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4839
Folio: 124
Page: 51
Reg. District: Guisbrough
Sub District: Lofthouse
Parish: Skiningrove
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Furnace Cottage, Skiningrove
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CASON, William Head Married M 56 1825 Furnace Lab (Iron) Whendler, Norfolk
CASON, Thursa Wife Married F 51 1830 Swanton, Norfolk
CASON, Charles Son Single M 23 1858 Ironstone Miner Swanton, Norfolk
CASON, Catherine Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Swanton, Norfolk
JEX, James Lodger Widower M 79 1802 Formerly Labourer Cossa, Norfolk
HUNT, James Lodger Single M 25 1856 Furnance Labourer (Iron) Norfolk
CHASE, Richard Lodger Single M 34 1847 Furnance Labourer (Iron) Tilmanstone, Kent <<<<<<<<

I was pointing out the record of a Fanny Deal buried in 1876 as recorded by Family Search was born in 1854 so was too young to be the Fanny Deal we are looking at

These are deaths of anyone with first name Fanny in 1902 Wokingham

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
Houlton Fanny 59 Wokingham 2c 275 (b Dover, 1901 census)
Norman Fanny 64 Wokingham 2c 282 (b Reading 1901 census)
Pettis Fanny Emily 60 Wokingham 2c 280 (not seeing in 1901)

Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Fuller Fanny 67 Wokingham 2c 243 (b Bucks 1901 census)

Wow! What a response.
Thank you all for sharing that info.
I'm going for Fanny dying in Barham, Kent in 1876. (family search).
Although it niggles that its not for sure.
thanks again
Glengyle

Fanny Houlton is probably the one you have seen on Ancestry, death Wokingham. Most census have her born mid - late1840's in Dover, so death age may be a bit out. There are Frances Deal's born 1843 and 1849 Bridge RD and not all births were registered back then. I would suggest Deal brothers/cousins in the area all named a daughter Frances/Fanny around the same time

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)
Deal Fanny Dover 2a 1091
Houlton David Dover 2a 1091
Pickering William Dover 2a 1091
Walter Harriot Anne Dover 2a 1091


1871 census transcription details for: Mason Street, Woolwich, shows David in the Army b Wokingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 778
Folio: 20
Page: 34
Reg. District: Woolwich
Sub District: Woolwich Dock Yard
Parish: Woolwich
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Mason Street, Woolwich
County: London, Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOULTON, David Head M 32 1839 Berkshire
HOULTON, Fanny Wife F 27 1844 Kent
HOULTON, Mary A Daughter F 9 1862 Kent
HOULTON, David Son M 7 1864 Kent

Shirley pointed out that that Fanny was born 1854, so not yours if you say born 1840

this looks like Fanny in 1871



1871 England Census

Name: Fanny Deal
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wotton, Kent, England
Civil parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 996
Folio: 130
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Lewis Stride 34
Rose Stride 30
Fanny Deal 30
Maria Usher 27




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 996; Folio: 130; Page: 9; GSU roll: 838726.





FMP version

1871

RG number: RG10
Piece: 996
Folio: 130
Page: 9
Reg. District: Thanet
Sub District: Ramsgate
Parish: St Lawrence
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Victor Villas, St Lawrence
County: Kent

STRIDE, Arthur Lewis Head M 34 1837 Middlesex
STRIDE, Rose Wife F 30 1841 Kent
DEAL, Fanny Servant F 30 1841 Kent
USHER, Maria Servant F 27 1844 Kent

Given the location I'm sure this must be your Fanny:

Kentish Chronicle - Saturday 14 January 1865

Charles Silk, a waggoner, in the employ of Messrs. Beer, brewers, of Canterbury, was fined £12, and 16s 6d costs, or in default of payment 4 months imprisonment with hard labour, for an aggravated assault on Fanny Deal, of Wootton, on 5th inst.

EDIT: There's a more extensive article about how Charles Silk had tried to ravish her but she successfully resisted but was hurt in the incident. Article forwarded.

It's very odd that there is the Fanny Deal/Richard Chase marriage 1873 in Stockton, because there is also this:

Fanny Deal, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973"

groom's name: Richard Chase
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Fanny Deal
marriage date: 21 Sep 1873
marriage place: Barham, Kent, England <<<
indexing project (batch) number: I00355-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1836199
reference number: item 1-4p. 160 #644

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN6P-N2P

** I wonder if this was actually the Banns?

Glengyle

That 1876 one isnt her cos that lady was aged 22 at death so born c1854 . Your Lady was born c1841/2

I would be more inclined to get the marriage cert to Richard Chase to see her age and fathers name. It really looks like she met Richard in Kent and then went with him to Durham area