Genealogy Chat

Well I finally got copies of marriage certificates back for Charles Edward Lloyd( born 1901 in Walsall) I was hoping it would give me enough to get me started on that all-important 1911 census –but alas NO!
Charles Birth Cert shows him born 1901 –mother Mary but maiden name is illegible.
Charles was married twice, once in 1929 to Emma Mason, then again in 1946 to Annie Fisher.
On both cert’s it names his father as Peter Lloyd (deceased)
I can’t find any trace of likely suspects in either the 1901 or 1911.
The witness names on the certificates don’t give me any clues as none of them are Lloyds either –any suggestions please?

Terry

Father's name and occupation on BIRTH cert?

Date of birth.........and address?

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
Lloyd Charles Edward Walsall 6b 776

here you go................see what you make of this

1911 England Census

Name: Pater Lloyd
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dudley
Civil parish: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 40 Ford St, Pleck, Walsall
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: Walsall
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 146
Piece: 17185
Household Members:
Name Age
Pater Lloyd 48
Mary Lloyd 50
George Lloyd 22
Alice Lloyd 20
Nellie Lloyd 16
Horace Lloyd 14
Charlie Lloyd 9
Lily Lloyd 12


AND..................................................................

1901 England Census about Peter Lloyd
Name: Peter Lloyd
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Lloyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: Pleck and Bescot St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Piece: 2702
Folio: 80
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Lloyd 38
Mary Lloyd 40 born DUDLEY
George Lloyd 12 born DUDLEY
Alice Lloyd 10 born DUDLEY
Nellie Lloyd 6
Horace Lloyd 4
Millie Lloyd 2

1881 England Census

Name: Peter Lloyd
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Lloyd
Mother's Name: Rhoda Lloyd
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 50 Salop St

Occupation: Baker
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2875
Folio: 59
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
George Lloyd 52
Rhoda Lloyd 36
Peter Lloyd 18
Rhoda Lloyd 13
Edwd. Lloyd 8
Horace W. Lloyd 5
Willm. Lloyd
Ada L. Lloyd 3

Possibility:

1911 England Census
about Charlie Lloyd
Name: Charlie Lloyd
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Walsall, Staffordshire
Civil parish: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 40 Ford St, Pleck, Walsall
Registration district: Walsall
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 146
Piece: 17185
Household Members: Name Age
Pater Lloyd 48
Mary Lloyd 50
George Lloyd 22
Alice Lloyd 20
Nellie Lloyd 16
Horace Lloyd 14
Charlie Lloyd 9
Lily Lloyd 12

Could Mary's surname have been Shaw?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
HORTON Benjamin Dudley 6c 49
Lloyd Peter Dudley 6c 49
Palmer Alice Dudley 6c 49
SHAW Mary Dudley 6c 49

Reggie beat me to it with the census, but this may be the father's death

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
about Peter Lloyd
Name: Peter Lloyd
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 703

First of all apologies to everyone -I put the query up then the dogs mugged me and forced me into abandoning the computer and taking them for a walk.

I don't know how you searched or what database you used but you've definitely found them for me.
Yes it does look like Mary's name was Shaw.

I'm back on the hunt.

Thanks so much, Reggie K and Anne.

Terry

I used Ancestry for the census info

The marriage was from FreeBMD and is free to search

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Good Luck K

Brilliant, thanks K

Terry

Using http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/ confirms the pairing K hoped for:
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHAW Mary LLOYD Peter Dudley, St Luke Dudley Register Office 223/001/159

http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/parish/dudley-st-luke#parish_church

And another thanks mgnv

Terry