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Elizabeth Graham help to read Birth Certificate

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OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 10 Jan 2013 15:46

If I forwarded a copy of the certificate could any one assist me in reading it, I have cataracts so eyesight not to good :-(

I am trying to decipher the parents and their marriage date and place of marriage from it.

Thanks,

James :-(

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 15:48

I will have a try......

Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 15:59

If you need another pair of eyes, also happy to have a look.
Jan

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 10 Jan 2013 15:59

Thank you Gwyn - I have forwarded it to you.

Thanks Again,

James

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 16:09

Gwyn, what do you think? Father is James Graham Rivet work labourer I think. Mother Susan ??Purvis??Parish??

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 16:11

They married July 1st 1894. I shall write what the place looks like to me - no good with Scotland places but it might ring a bell!!

Apologies

Hurbumnock :-D :-D :-D

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 10 Jan 2013 16:28

Hi Gwyn and Jan,

Don't know if this will help, I have found the family on the 1901 census for Scotland and it gives her father James place of birth as Ireland and Susan his wife as being born in Annbank in Ayrshire.

James

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 16:39

Have sent what I have found so far, but can't establish marriage place.... even on Google.

Susan may alternatively been M / S Pursee....?

Off to take another look.

Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 16:52

There is this - Tarbolten is only 3 miles or so from Annbank. Can't see her anywhere else though and even if it's her it doesn't help!

1891 Scotland Census

Name: Susan Purse
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Servt (Servant)
Gender: Female
Where born: Tarbolton, Ayrshire
Registration number: 604
Registration district: Mauchline
Civil parish: Mauchline
Town: Mauchline
County: Ayrshire
Address: Wynd
Occupation: Farm Servant

Thomas Gebbie 70
Margaret Gebbie 73
Janet Gebbie 65
Isabella Gebbie 65
Robert Baird 30
Susan Purse 17

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 17:06

James has had to go offline, but says Ann was said to be born in Annbank which he believes was in the Cumnock area of East Ayrshire in Scotland.

Still looking for marriage place...... It might start with K.....(?)

Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:20

I can't locate where they married either. I did have another look for the 'Purse' family and found these, but not helpful - and not even sure if the right name!

1891 Scotland Census
Name: Sarah Purss
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Step Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 608
Registration district: New Cumnock
Civil parish: New Cumnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: High Borg Cottages

John Purss 20 Where born: Tarbolton, Ayrshire
David Purss 15 Where born: Tarbolton, Ayrshire
Sarah Purss 50

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:22

Maybe there is a link after all? No idea if/how these people might be connected, however:


1891 Scotland Census about John Graham
Name: John Graham
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jean Graham
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalmellington, Ayrshire
Registration number: 608
Registration district: New Cumnock
Civil parish: New Cumnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: High Borg Cottages
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 151
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1891_213
Household Members:
Name Age
John Graham 35
Jean Graham 45
Jean H Graham 5

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 17:30

Well done Jan.

I can't fathom this yet, but I think this might all be good information.

Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:33

The marriage place couldn't just be Kilmarnock could it? Doesn't look much like it though!
Jan

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 Jan 2013 17:36

The birth certificate of another child of the marriage may be clearer regarding the place of marriage.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:50

If all else fails I might be tempted to get another birth cert if it were me - if you do this, I suggest Dorah:


1901 Scotland Census

Name: Dorah Graham
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: James Graham
Mother's Name: Susan Graham
Gender: Female
Where born: Coatbridge, lanarksh
Registration number: 624
Registration district: Blantyre
Civil parish: Blantyre
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 18 Calder St
ED: 5A
Household schedule number: 264
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_246
Household Members:
Name Age
James Graham 28
Susan Graham 27
Martha Graham 6
John Graham 5
Lizzie Graham 3
Dorah Graham 1

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:50

Snap!

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 18:04

I hope this doesn't throw too much into the mix. I do think another birth cert is probably the way to go.

I tried one last search and found these baptisms etc. Just in case the David and John above turn out to be linked. But I wouldn't be surprised if the surname turns out to be totally different!!

name: Susannah Barr Purss
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 09 Apr 1874
birthplace: TARBOLTON,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Purss
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Dorithy Simpson
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11619-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

name: John Purss
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 03 Apr 1871
birthplace: TARBOLTON,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Purss
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Dorathy Simpson
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11619-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

name: David Henry Barr Purss
event: Death
event date: 06 Nov 1929
event place: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada
gender: Male
age: 53
marital status: Widowed
birth date: 01 Jul 1876
birthplace: , Scotland
father: John Purse
mother: Dorothy Simpson
spouse:
indian band/tribe:
british columbia archives film number: B13137
film number: 1952649
digital folder number: 004437616
image number: 01941
registration number: 25939

Helen

Helen Report 10 Jan 2013 21:53

From a free search on Scotlandspeople:

Marriage:
James Graham and Sarah Purss
1894
County: Ayr
District: New Cumnock

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 22:23

That's very interesting Helen - it says Susan on the cert, but must be the right marriage surely?
I wondered about this for location???

Knockshinnoch

There was a Knockshinnoch Castle colliery in New Cumnock.

Just to illustrate:

1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Campbell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Strathavon, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 608
Registration district: New Cumnock
Civil parish: New Cumnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: Knockshinnoch Pit
Occupation: Colliery Oversman
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 94
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_194
Household Members:
Name Age
John Campbell 42
Jane Campbell 40
John Campbell 12
Robert Campbell 11
William Campbell 9
Janet Campbell 5


Jan