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Elizabeth Graham help to read Birth Certificate

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OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 11 Jan 2013 06:40

Gwyn, Jan, rootgatherer, Helen, and Anne,

Many thanks to you all for all the help and advice you have provided, it is very much appreciated.

I will start working my way through this today and will check Scotlands People to have a look at the marriage certificate for James and also have a look at one of the other children's birth certificate.

Thank You & Best Wishes,

James

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 11 Jan 2013 00:14

James,
with the little info available, SP can be manipulated to get the correct entry.
It is time consuming, but eventually the correct result is found.

Here's a wee tutorial

In the marriage section, enter groom as James Graham. year of marriage 1894.
=16 Matches
You already had an idea that the marriage took place in Ayrshire, so change your search accordingly... AYR
=4 Matches

To find the bride:
From the option on the right use ":SURNAME THAT BEGINS WITH" ... enter ( in this case) letter "P"
=1 Match
Keeping the P in place,continue to work your way through the alphabet for the second letter =U.
=1 Match

Eventually, you will arrive at PURSS and alter your option to ":Exact Surname"
=1 Match
Use the same process to find the first name and again = SARAH
=1 Match

Select up to 5 parishes on the dropdown list until
= 1 Match
Check each of the 5 selections individually, and again the final match is ..
NEW CUMNOCK
= 1 Match

Easy when you know how!
Anne

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 22:50

Brilliant Helen! I just never thought to check this - and yes, after all that, it does just say New Cumnock.
You little belter you.
Jan :-D

Helen

Helen Report 10 Jan 2013 22:48

I'd be inclined to believe Sarah and Susan are one and the same person.

There is only one match coming up for the surname Purss married to a James Graham ... the name being Sarah.

It's possible they married in the Knockshinnoch area of New Cumnock .. the marriage certificate might be able to verify.

Or maybe the location just might be New Cumnock .. the writing on some of these certificates can be dire.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 22:23

That's very interesting Helen - it says Susan on the cert, but must be the right marriage surely?
I wondered about this for location???

Knockshinnoch

There was a Knockshinnoch Castle colliery in New Cumnock.

Just to illustrate:

1881 Scotland Census
Name: John Campbell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Strathavon, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 608
Registration district: New Cumnock
Civil parish: New Cumnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: Knockshinnoch Pit
Occupation: Colliery Oversman
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 94
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_194
Household Members:
Name Age
John Campbell 42
Jane Campbell 40
John Campbell 12
Robert Campbell 11
William Campbell 9
Janet Campbell 5


Jan

Helen

Helen Report 10 Jan 2013 21:53

From a free search on Scotlandspeople:

Marriage:
James Graham and Sarah Purss
1894
County: Ayr
District: New Cumnock

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 18:04

I hope this doesn't throw too much into the mix. I do think another birth cert is probably the way to go.

I tried one last search and found these baptisms etc. Just in case the David and John above turn out to be linked. But I wouldn't be surprised if the surname turns out to be totally different!!

name: Susannah Barr Purss
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 09 Apr 1874
birthplace: TARBOLTON,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Purss
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Dorithy Simpson
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11619-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

name: John Purss
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 03 Apr 1871
birthplace: TARBOLTON,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Purss
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Dorathy Simpson
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11619-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

name: David Henry Barr Purss
event: Death
event date: 06 Nov 1929
event place: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada
gender: Male
age: 53
marital status: Widowed
birth date: 01 Jul 1876
birthplace: , Scotland
father: John Purse
mother: Dorothy Simpson
spouse:
indian band/tribe:
british columbia archives film number: B13137
film number: 1952649
digital folder number: 004437616
image number: 01941
registration number: 25939

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:50

Snap!

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:50

If all else fails I might be tempted to get another birth cert if it were me - if you do this, I suggest Dorah:


1901 Scotland Census

Name: Dorah Graham
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: James Graham
Mother's Name: Susan Graham
Gender: Female
Where born: Coatbridge, lanarksh
Registration number: 624
Registration district: Blantyre
Civil parish: Blantyre
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 18 Calder St
ED: 5A
Household schedule number: 264
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_246
Household Members:
Name Age
James Graham 28
Susan Graham 27
Martha Graham 6
John Graham 5
Lizzie Graham 3
Dorah Graham 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 10 Jan 2013 17:36

The birth certificate of another child of the marriage may be clearer regarding the place of marriage.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:33

The marriage place couldn't just be Kilmarnock could it? Doesn't look much like it though!
Jan

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 17:30

Well done Jan.

I can't fathom this yet, but I think this might all be good information.

Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:22

Maybe there is a link after all? No idea if/how these people might be connected, however:


1891 Scotland Census about John Graham
Name: John Graham
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jean Graham
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalmellington, Ayrshire
Registration number: 608
Registration district: New Cumnock
Civil parish: New Cumnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: High Borg Cottages
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 151
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1891_213
Household Members:
Name Age
John Graham 35
Jean Graham 45
Jean H Graham 5

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 17:20

I can't locate where they married either. I did have another look for the 'Purse' family and found these, but not helpful - and not even sure if the right name!

1891 Scotland Census
Name: Sarah Purss
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Step Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 608
Registration district: New Cumnock
Civil parish: New Cumnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: High Borg Cottages

John Purss 20 Where born: Tarbolton, Ayrshire
David Purss 15 Where born: Tarbolton, Ayrshire
Sarah Purss 50

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 17:06

James has had to go offline, but says Ann was said to be born in Annbank which he believes was in the Cumnock area of East Ayrshire in Scotland.

Still looking for marriage place...... It might start with K.....(?)

Gwyn

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 16:52

There is this - Tarbolten is only 3 miles or so from Annbank. Can't see her anywhere else though and even if it's her it doesn't help!

1891 Scotland Census

Name: Susan Purse
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Servt (Servant)
Gender: Female
Where born: Tarbolton, Ayrshire
Registration number: 604
Registration district: Mauchline
Civil parish: Mauchline
Town: Mauchline
County: Ayrshire
Address: Wynd
Occupation: Farm Servant

Thomas Gebbie 70
Margaret Gebbie 73
Janet Gebbie 65
Isabella Gebbie 65
Robert Baird 30
Susan Purse 17

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 10 Jan 2013 16:39

Have sent what I have found so far, but can't establish marriage place.... even on Google.

Susan may alternatively been M / S Pursee....?

Off to take another look.

Gwyn

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 10 Jan 2013 16:28

Hi Gwyn and Jan,

Don't know if this will help, I have found the family on the 1901 census for Scotland and it gives her father James place of birth as Ireland and Susan his wife as being born in Annbank in Ayrshire.

James

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 16:11

They married July 1st 1894. I shall write what the place looks like to me - no good with Scotland places but it might ring a bell!!

Apologies

Hurbumnock :-D :-D :-D

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Jan 2013 16:09

Gwyn, what do you think? Father is James Graham Rivet work labourer I think. Mother Susan ??Purvis??Parish??