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mgnv Report 30 Jan 2013 23:51

Re - "I realise that the only way to find out this birth is to use the quarterly index of the town "

You've never been very specific abt the place of birth - if it were an actual address in say, Birmingham All Saints, then I think the local register might sell you all the b.certs born in Birmingham All Saints on Jan 1st, say - maybe 1-4 b.certs. They might even just sell you the ones born at your addy, but you'ld have to ask them what they could do for you.


Reggie Report 30 Jan 2013 22:58

So why do you have two threads, with two different years?


Cisco Report 30 Jan 2013 15:36

Porkie Pie -
I'm sorry you think I've been drip-feeding you - but I haven't.

The only information I have is as stated above - the actual date of birth - the place of birth - the gender of the child (male).

If I had the mother's name, I'd not be using this site for i'd already have the4 information.

The informant was extremely reliable and had no more information to offer.

I realise that the only way to find out this birth is to use the quarterly index of the town and sift through that, paying for each birth recorded in that town during that 3-monthly period. I'll have to win the lotto first though.

Many thanks to everyone for their help.


Sylvia Report 29 Jan 2013 16:06

Joyce, the two dates also confused me.
Are you looking for your husbands half brother. born 1928.
Was your husband born in 1936 in Luton.



jax Report 29 Jan 2013 04:49

If this is about the same person? why 1936 on this one and 1928 on the other?

The man in question was married in 1935 and living in maybe it's about someone else?


mgnv Report 29 Jan 2013 03:53

If Reggie's URL is anything to go by, the problem is we're talking abt Birmingham.
Even if we knew the birth occurred in Birmingham RD and not some adjacent RD like Aston, Kings Norton, West Brom, etc, that often cover bits of Birmingham, we're still looking at over 4000 births per quarter, over half of which will be males. So even if we knew the dates of all the births, we're likely looking at a couple of dozen males born that day.

If one looks at any Birm event on FreeBMD, like the faked up:
Births Dec 1936 (>99%)
SMITH John Jones Birmingham 6d 198
then click on the "Birmingham" link, then the more info "here" link, you'll get a list of all the subdistricts that ever operated in Birmingham RD:

Sub-districts : Acocks Green, All Saints, Aston, Birmingham, Colmore, Deritend, Duddeston, Edgbaston, Erdington, Handsworth, Heath, Kings Norton, Ladywood, Lordswood, Newhall, Perry Barr, Raddlebarn, St. George, St. Martins, St. Marys, St. Paul, St. Peter, St. Philip, St. Thomas, Selly Oak, Sorrento, Sprakbrook, Yardley

I've never bought any cert from Birm local office, but I've visited their web page. There's a couple of oddities: firstly, they're the only English office I've seen that images the local rego, so you'll get images of the informant's actual signature; secondly, they don't have a local index - they say send us the GRO ref.

Now the easiest way for them to deal with the GRO ref is for them to have a key, or cheat-sheet, that says in 1936q4, All Saints begins on p 1, St George on p 47, St Paul p 111, St Martin p 166, etc, thru all the subdistricts. I don't know they have this key, but that's the way I'ld do it. Anyways, phone them and find out. If you don't already know the subdistrict for your address, the local family history Soc could help out there.

If there's no key, you could make a stab at constructing one yourself if you had access to the Electoral Roll - there was a 1935 election. In 1936, most births were at home, and women could vote by then, but I'm not sure at what age they became enfranchised.

Sounds like too much work to me - call the local office and see what they can do for you.


Porkie_Pie Report 28 Jan 2013 23:56

If your other thread is related then use freebmd to search the year, quarter, district and the name you have then check for births where the mothers surname name is the same as the child

It helps if you give the info you have instead of drip feeding bits as and when it suits, after all your the one asking for help


Edit, I tend to question the motive for wanting this info under these circumstances


Reggie Report 28 Jan 2013 23:46



Reggie Report 28 Jan 2013 23:38

Why do you keep saying you can't do it?

Agreed, you can't identify the town on the index..................but if you know the town, then you must know the registration district.

You CAN'T see the DATE without paying for the cert................that applies to every birth in England/Wales

Someone must have given you this 'info'.......was this person reliable? Was he/she related to this unidentified male?

It all seems rather bizarre..................


brummiejan Report 28 Jan 2013 23:10

Well, you can certainly do this (apart from finding an actual precise date):

'So, if I could search through the quarters birth records relating to that particular town, I would surely find all the male births that occurred on that particular date in that particular place'

Not quite clear if you are under the impression this is not possible??

For example, I could look for all birth registrations in Manchester in the Jan-March quarter of 1927, using the MMN as a filter, or no name whatsoever.



patchem Report 28 Jan 2013 23:08

Sorry, it is not impossible. You just enter those details on free bmd.
I cannot see why you cannot do that - I have just tried it for Billericay Mar 1936 to Mar 1936. Around 220 names, male and female.
(Though if born towards the end of that quarter they may be in the June quarter)

If the mother was not married, then you are just looking for the same surname and mother's maiden name?


Cisco Report 28 Jan 2013 22:57

All I have is the DATE the child was born - the GENDER (male) - and the PLACE of birth.

So, if I could search through the quarters birth records relating to that particular town, I would surely find all the male births that occurred on that particular date in that particular place.

This would be a great starting point for me.

I do realise that it looks impossible though.

Thank you for your interest and help.


Reggie Report 28 Jan 2013 22:35

If you'd read the post prior to mine, you'd understand my post!

What exactly do you know.........if anything?

You can enter the year, qtr, and district as your search criteria on freebmd................not sure why you think you can't

BUT.......if you know nothing, how would you recognise the birth, even if you saw it?


Cisco Report 28 Jan 2013 19:14

Thank you Jan - but as I've no surname for the child, I'm needing to research by YEAR - ie I need to look through all the registered births for a 3-month period and I don't seem to be able to do this.



brummiejan Report 28 Jan 2013 18:31

Not sure what you mean Joyce - all counties are on Freebmd.


Cisco Report 28 Jan 2013 18:00

Many thanks for this mgnv - but, of course, the county I'm researching is not listed. Maybe they'll add it to the site - I;'ll keep an eye out.


mgnv Report 24 Jan 2013 23:23

You can look at all the births registered in, say, Burnley in 1936.
They are recorded in the GRO index by date of registration (and one had 6 w to rego a birth).
However, it would include all the births in Burnley RD (so include Nelson, Colne, Padiham).

Sometimes a local index is available - see:
In these cases, there is usually info on the subdistrict the birth is rego'ed in, so this would exclude all the outlying areas of Burnley RD.
Actually, in 1936, it would specify if the birth was rego'ed in Burnley East or Burnley West.

NB If the GRO index says they're on the same GRO page, then they were in the same subdistrict.


brummiejan Report 24 Jan 2013 18:01

Reggie, there is no indication he was adopted as far as I can see - that was just a query from me.
Only trying to cover all possibilities however remote.
Not sure what your comments are trying to achieve really.


Reggie Report 24 Jan 2013 17:35

If there is a possibility that the child was adopted, one would assume that the circumstances of his birth were such that a newspaper announcement would have been unlikely.

Plus, announcing births in newspapers was not that common an occurrence in the 1930's


brummiejan Report 24 Jan 2013 17:24

The only other thing I can think of is to look for birth notices in local papers. Without knowing any more it is hard to advise you.
As the birth is 1936 it is likely this person is still living, though it is possible to check for deaths using birth date 1970-2006. Of limited use I suspect.
If you want to PM me any other info feel free, I am sure other ;helpers' on here would be glad to advise also.