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Wungle

Wungle Report 30 Jan 2013 10:15

Big thanks to everyone -especially Reg and Sylvia.

Terry

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 30 Jan 2013 07:13

There seem to be TWO Abraham Morgan's born in Staffordshire around 1865 ....... one in Willenhall, and one in Wolverhampton.


One is married to Elizabeth, and is on loads of trees on ancestry.


Most people seem to have accepted the 1891 Census for an Abraham b. in Willenhall as true for Abraham born in Wolverhampton ........... but the Willenhall Abraham is a Lock Maker

Wolverhampton Abraham was an Ironworks Labourer.




Much care is needed!!!!





sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 30 Jan 2013 07:08

Two different wives????


1901

MORGAN, Abraham Head Married M 45 1866 Ironworks Labourer Staffordshire Wolverhampton VIEW
MORGAN, Jane Wife Married22 years F 40 1871 Finisher Tailoring Staff Walsall VIEW
MORGAN, Wilfred Son M 7 1904 Staffordshir Walsall VIEW
KING, Thomas Brother In Law Married M 70 1841 Boatman Evesham VIEW
KING, Rachel Sister In Law Married16 years F 46 1865 Buttonholers Tailoring Staffordshire Tipton VIEW


1911

Abraham Morgan 36
Elizabeth Morgan 39
Wilfred J A Morgan 8**************
Winifred J Morgan 6
Lila C Morgan 5
Latimer J Morgan 3
Ivor G Morgan 1
Leslie T Morgan 3 Months
Annie E Murray 18



Does that mean 2 different families OR first wife Jane died, he re-married, and thus we have an explanation for the 2 Williams??????



sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Wungle

Wungle Report 29 Jan 2013 17:58

Got it -just looked at the 1911 census and the one with Abraham as Head is 2 doors from where his wife lived before they married -too much of a coincidence.

I'll send off for the birth cert as well to make sure.

Big thanks to eveyrone.

Terry

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2013 17:46

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
GRINSELL Jennie Walsall 6b 1114
HALE Frederick William Walsall 6b 1114
HARRISON Florence Walsall 6b 1114
MORGAN Abraham Walsall 6b 1114

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2013 17:40

The in-laws from 1911

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
Grinsell Rachel Walsall 6b 989
King Thomas Walsall 6b 989

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2013 17:31

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
Morgan Wilfrid Joseph A Wolverhampton 6b 670
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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Wilfrid Joseph A Morgan
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1976
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 34
Page: 0535

I think you need the 1903 birth cert.........................................

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2013 17:28

Interesting.......did the first Wilfred die?

Or was Wilfred 1903 actually their grandson?

1901 England Census
Name: Abraham Morgan
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Morgan
Gender: Male
Where born: Willenhall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 2677
Folio: 81
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Morgan 36
Elizabeth Morgan 39
Wilfred J A Morgan 8**************
Winifred J Morgan 6
Lila C Morgan 5
Latimer J Morgan 3
Ivor G Morgan 1
Leslie T Morgan 3 Months
Annie E Murray 18

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Jan 2013 17:17

Is your Wilfred the one who married Emma Howarth?

Researching:
Liverpool (Cartwright, Chambers, Miller), Todmorden (Sutcliffe, Mallison), Abergavenny (Watkins, Prosser)

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jan 2013 16:42

the only one that comes up for 1911 is this
MORGAN, Abraham Head Married M 45 1866 Ironworks Labourer Staffordshire Wolverhampton VIEW
MORGAN, Jane Wife Married22 years F 40 1871 Finisher Tailoring Staff Walsall VIEW
MORGAN, Wilfred Son M 7 1904 Staffordshir Walsall VIEW
KING, Thomas Brother In Law Married M 70 1841 Boatman Evesham VIEW
KING, Rachel Sister In Law Married16 years F 46 1865 Buttonholers Tailoring Staffordshire Tipton VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 17183

Reference: RG14PN17183 RG78PN1057 RD370 SD3 ED26 SN41

Registration District: Walsall

Sub District: Walsall

Enumeration District: 26

Parish: Walsall

Address: 38 Moat Road Walsall

County: Staffordshire

Wungle

Wungle Report 29 Jan 2013 16:34

The DOB is spot on 9 Sept 1903

Wungle

Wungle Report 29 Jan 2013 16:31

That's the man

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jan 2013 16:30

Well he may have died in Walsall but doesnt mean he was born there BUT his death DOB record could match the birth I posted

Name: Wilfred Morgan
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1903
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1972
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 1507

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jan 2013 16:27

??

Name: Wilfred Morgan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 730

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

Wungle

Wungle Report 29 Jan 2013 16:27

Unfortunately I've got no siblings -there isn't even a 'Morgan' down as a witness to the marriage so no clues there either.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jan 2013 16:24

Did he have siblings born after 1911 we may be able to backtrack then with mmn

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957

Wungle

Wungle Report 29 Jan 2013 16:22

I'm tracing back some ancestors from the line of Wilfred Morgan born 1903 to 1972 in Walsall. I've just got his marriage certificate back showing his father to be Alfred Morgan (both worked as 'Tube Workers' in a foundry)
'Simples' now I just find them both in the 1911 census -except they appear to be hiding!