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Finding info before 1837/1841

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Ian Report 9 Feb 2013 22:44

Hi all

Im new to this so please bear with me.

I have found an extensive amount of family info out in just a few days, but now im back to the pre 1837 birth records and 1841 census and im struggling to find records. Is there any way to get this kind of info when the genesreunited search function (including parish records) does not find anything before these years? I have used and this seems to be able to find info from 1600 onwards, but the information is very limited and so for example, i think i may have found my great great great grandfather, but cannot confirm this due to results only giving me his name, and no children, spouse etc



brummiejan Report 9 Feb 2013 23:03

Welcome to the boards Ian.
I suppose the first question is - have you actually got the family 1841? Sometimes this in itself is a little tricky!
Then you need to work slowly backwards. The birth cert of a child born after 1837, if available, might be your starting point.
It's a bit difficult to advise without knowing where you are exactly.
Have you tried looking for other family members on here? use 'search all trees', found in search trees above.


Reggie Report 9 Feb 2013 23:10

The people who help on here don't use GR for research, so it's hard to advise on how to use their 'records'...which, incidentally, are not GR's. Everything they offer you to look through is taken from other sites.

Which part of the country are you looking at?

Are you aware of the many OPC's? (Online Parish Clerks)

And parish registers on Ancestry?


Porkie_Pie Report 9 Feb 2013 23:21

Welcome to the boards Ian,

First You say your new to this? plus it looks like your membership only started this month,

even thought their is census info and BMD index and other resources on the Internet to research your family you would require to have other documentary evidence to confirm that what you have found is correct such as BMD certs, you don't appear to have had enough time to get that far back with evidence to confirm your following the correct lines

If you want your tree to be "accurate" then i would suggest you slow down and buy at least one cert per generation It is very easy to think your on the right track only to find out in 6 months or even two yours later that you made a mistake and have been following the wrong family



Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 07:44


Thank you all for the replies.

I will certainly be purchasing some certificates to back my searches up!

I am very confident that i am following the right family as my father has been able to provide me with alot of good information regarding my great grand parents and great great grand parents. I have found my great grandad Albert Hopkinson living at home with my great great grand parents James and Betsy Hopkinson in the 1901 census, along with all of my dads great uncles and aunties who he can also remember. The address is correct and the occupations of both Albert (Hair-dresser) and James (Boot and shoe maker/repairer) are also correct. They were living in the Carrington area of nottingham, and then after that in market place Nottingham. I am 100% sure that these are my ancestors. Previous to this, I have managed to locate James Hopkinson's birth record in 1852. However, it is at this point that i can no longer verify that it is correct. James's parents were called William and Ann Hopkinson and although i have located them all living together in the 1861 census in the correct area, i cannot say 100% that this is them. There are no other James Hopkinsons showing up in searches with the correct birth year and area and although it would be easy to just say ''yes its them for sure'' i obviosuly dont want to do this because i want an accurate tree.

I have also found a few other trees with the same James and Betsy Hopkinson, and also Albert in them, and i have asked the tree owners to let me have a look, but i have had no replies yet. I would not be using their trees to copy from, just merely to see if somebody else has pieced together the info in a similar way to me.

How would i go about finding out more, correct information about James Hopkinson's parents? as both William and Ann were born circa 1815/16 and by the time of the 1841 census, they both would have been married and living together with children who i dont know anything about. This leaves me unsure of Ann's maiden name and origins, and also williams. All i know from my father is that William was born in Blidworth Nottingham - he knows this from what he was told about as a child in the 50's.



Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:11

You say that you 'know' that James's parents were William and this taken from his birth cert?

If so, you should know Ann's maiden name

Unless you have seen the parents on 1841 with children, you can't assume that to be a fact.


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:18

I can find only ONE Albert in 1901 with parents James and Betsy

1901 England Census
Name: Albert Hopkinson
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Hopkinson
Mother's Name: Betsy Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Carrington St John the Evangelist
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Bulwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 3187
Folio: 131
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hopkinson 39****************
Betsy Hopkinson 39
Arthur Hopkinson 14
Alice Hopkinson 12
Albert Hopkinson 9
Ethel Hopkinson 9
Alfred B Hopkinson 9 Months

*****************Boot & Shoe maker, B. Farnsfield


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:19

The same James in 1871

1871 England Census
Name: James Hopkinson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnsfield, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 3520
Folio: 49
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hopkinson 43
Susan Hopkinson 21
Mary Hopkinson 16
William Hopkinson 13
James Hopkinson 8
John Hopkinson 4 Months


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:23

I'm afraid you may need to re-think.

You are, as far as can be deduced, 10 years 'out'

This is the census to which you refer......NOT 1901

1911 census

Person: HOPKINSON, Albert Address: 21 Market Place Carrington Nottingham

HOPKINSON, James Head Married26 years M 49 1862 Bootmaker And Repairer Nottinghamshire VIEW
HOPKINSON, Betsy Wife Married26 years F 49 1862 Nottinghamshire VIEW
HOPKINSON, Arthur Son Single M 24 1887 General Warehouseman Nottingham VIEW
HOPKINSON, Alice Daughter Single F 22 1889 Hosiery Machinist Chesterfield Derbyshire VIEW
HOPKINSON, Albert Son Single M 19 1892 Hairdresser Manger Nottingham VIEW
HOPKINSON, Ethel Daughter Single F 19 1892 Hosiery Nottingham VIEW
HOPKINSON, Baden Son M 10 1901 Schoolar Nottingham VIEW


Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:25

Well i dont know 100% that William and Ann are his parents - i worded it incorrectly really, what i should have said was:

I have located a birth record for a James Hopkinson born in 1852, the same year as my James Hopkinson was born, and in the correct nottingham area. However, the record doesnt state on genesreunited who the parents are, and when i view the original record, it just gives James's name and birth year and an archive reference. However, if i then input the birth information on which i believe is something to do with the church of latter day saints? the apparent same birth record shows up and states that the parents where William and Ann. Thats why i say that i cant verify that information 100%. If i was to go to the reocrd office and look up that reference number would that tell me the parents full names and Ann's maiden name?


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:25

1861 census shows the husband of ANN (as per 1871) to have been named JOHN

1861 England Census
Name: John Hopkinson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Farnsfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Southwell
Sub-registration district: Southwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 2471
Folio: 24
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hopkinson 33
Ann Hopkinson 33
Susan Hopkinson 10
Mary Hopkinson 5
William Hopkinson 2



Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: John Hopkinson
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1827
Age: 0
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1827
Parish: Manchester, St Matthew
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Matthew
Father's Name: William Hopkinson
Mother's Name: Susannah Hopkinson
Reference Number: GB127.M403/7/1/1


Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:27

Reggie, yes your right. It is the 1911 census. That is them! Albert the hairdresser manager is my great grandad, and the other siblings are my dads great uncles and aunts.

I have a record for them all in 1901 census too, hang on let me find it


Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:28

You are putting me to shame here. Your right i need to slow down.


Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:32

i have found this for 1891:

1891 Census Household Record
Household Information:

Address Harold Street
Parish Aylestone
District Blaby, Wigston

Administrative County Leicestershire

Householder 1
Name James Hopkinson
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Rivetter Boot & Shoe
Birth Place Mansfield
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Householder 2
Name Betsy Hopkinson
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Hosiery Runner
Birth Place Mansfield
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Householder 3
Name Arthur Hopkinson
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1887
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Nottingham
Birth County Nottinghamshire

Householder 4
Name Alice Hopkinson
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Chesterfield
Birth County Derbyshire

© brightsolid online publishing ltd


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:34

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ann Barge
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1849
Registration district: Southwell
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume Number: 15
Page Number: 797

Also on Page: John Hopkinson


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:37

So why have you been looking for someone born c1852?


Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:39

Just to enlighten you................the BMD index is just index.

To see detailed info, you have to purchase certs...........they cost £9.25, ordered on line from the GRO

Edited to show correct price


Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:47

I kow where i have gone wrong, i was looking for someone in 1852 because i found a census record from1861 with a William Hopkinson, and Ann Hopkinson with several children, one being James who was 9 years old at the time. Due to the names and area matchig what i thought to be correct, and probably being over excited with it, ive gone off on a tangent. Thanks to you i can see my errors!

If i was to go to the records offics in Nottingham, would i be able to view originals before buying certs?


Porkie_Pie Report 10 Feb 2013 09:50

Ian, We where all new to Genealogy once,
No shame in that

Try using other sites free sites in conjunction with GR for records

For BMD from 1837 up to abt 1960 use freebmd

when looking for an event BMD it's important to no which registration district it should be registered in so use this site to cross reference BMD's

It will give you a list of civil parishes/places in each district



Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 09:51

Also, where do you get your information from? is it from the freeBMD site?