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Beware of Professional Researcher

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 04:45

well, I did have a second cousin who did a lot of work on my dad's family back in the 80s and 90s, and not on the internet.

He did a super job ............... then his brother B stole the work from him during a family argument.

B set up a One Name Study Group, and didn't tell anyone that it was not his own work. He claimed all the credit ............... in my early days on here I was often told he was a brilliant researcher into the family name


I came across the truth when I found what B had done with my own family ..................... lost my dad, made my brother into my mother's husband and my father, even though he was shown as only 10½ years old

Unfortunately, that is the version that he put on a CD that he circulated around the world in about 2001.


I have the proof of which brother did the work .................. because that brother did work with my brother, and so knew who was the father and who was the son, and I have the proof of it.



But there isn't much I can do about it .................. B removed himself from ONSG when I challenged him.




s

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 26 Feb 2013 04:30

yes....afraid so....his own Kin.....he collected information from around the world and sold and tried to sell it on to the rest of us....I spent years and pots of money on My OHs tree and it was pure as far as correct information was concerned. Unfortunately One of his kin saw fit to pass on information that hadn't been checked out and this is now floating on the Internet in its corrupt form and being sold on to unsuspecting researchers......I don't speak to them any more as it caused much friction.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 04:25

sheeez Susan!


that's unbelievable!!

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 26 Feb 2013 04:17

One of the researchers with the same name as My OH did exactly the same thing to his namesakes. .....Collected all the information and even tried to charge those who had given to him, for information on other links....In fact there were two of them doing exactly the same thing...... bad enough charging some but even worse charging those who had given information in the first place.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 03:49

Good!!

JerryH

JerryH Report 26 Feb 2013 01:28

There !!

It is done :-)

Jeremy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Feb 2013 01:01

Jeremy who posted at 25 Feb 2013 23:28 ..........................


The "other" Jeremy has not hijacked your name ................... he is legitimately called Jeremy, but he does have a different surname from yours.


This was one of the problems of GR, until things were changed in 2011 ....................... you could use your own forename as your Board Name .................... and there was no bar to the number of people using the same name.


As of changes in 2011, that is no longer possible ................ if you try to use a Board Name that is already in use, you will be told to find a different version.


He is therefore not impersonating you ............ and most knowledgeable people on here will check whether you are him, or vice versa, by either clicking on your name Jeremy, to see what your surname is. Or they will hover their mouse over the name Jeremy and see what your membership number is.



I would seriously suggest that you do change your Board name .................. add an * as Ann suggested, add a county name, add a number. Then there will be no doubt as to who you are.



I added InCanada to my name many years ago, because there were several other members using Sylvia as their Board name, but I was the only one posting as from Canada! ....................... it helps to keep things clear.




sylvia

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 25 Feb 2013 23:52

go for itt Jeremy - you only need to put a character at the end eg Jeremy* to make it unique

JerryH

JerryH Report 25 Feb 2013 23:28

I am feeling rather annoyed that a proffessional researcher has hijacked MY board user name.

This could have the affect of making people wary about replying to my posts which might deprive me of much needed information to grow my tree.

I have no wish to have my name associated with this proffesional researcher.

My own research is based on my family and that of my Sister in Law and is completely Amateaur allbeit that I have been researching since 1984.

I am now seriously considering changing me board name in order to disassociate myself from this individual.
:-(
Jeremy

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 25 Feb 2013 22:44

I have no objection whatsoever to anyone who makes their living doing what I choose to do as purely a hobby. Indeed I say good luck to them.

Where I do draw the line however is where as a professional researcher they try to take advantage of other people by asking and expecting that they will provide information and things such as certificates free of charge which they as a professional researcher then charge a third party for.

I note that on his website Jeremy indicates that the charges for copies of Birth, Marriage and Death certificates start at approximately £10. Does that include those that he manages to obtain free of charge from the unsuspecting?

Derek

Derek Report 25 Feb 2013 21:59

I think its very sad that the whole ethic of GR is threatened by a person, or people looking to make money out of so called "research" that is often simply copying and pasting an entry from one website or another..often FREE websites.

In my naivety I thought we were a bunch of enthusiasts pursuing a hobby that we were completely hooked on, and having achieved some level of "expertise" now took great pleasure in solving thorny problems for other people.

Are we now going to be looking at each other and wondering if this person or that is a professional researcher????????..and what he or she is doing with the information that we give them??

Amateur is Amateur....it means for free and because we love what we're doing !!

Derek.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 25 Feb 2013 20:57

Well said Sylvia

No I have not visited WDYTYA Jeremy. Not because I would not like to but as Sylvia says it can cost an arm and a leg even when you live in England. Also some people are not physically capable of going to such an event.

Many researches on here are on a tight budget which is why they are asking for help from people who do have access to subscription sites. I did myself until I managed to afford a sub and was helped by many kind people. Many of us are pensioners who have the time but limited cash for research.

The Meercat

The Meercat Report 25 Feb 2013 20:06

Well thats put me off professional researchers.What a lot of old nonsense just
to get other peoples certificates and family trees for nothing.

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 25 Feb 2013 19:10

Who is this person ?????? could be anyone of us or past member who have done their tree and helpped others do theirs..................could even be jeremy kyle or paxman or irons .......OR even jeremy fisher!!!

I,m sorry I dont believe you are who you say you are let alone what you say!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 25 Feb 2013 18:30

..................... and there is no need to make nasty remarks about GR members not using their real names.


If you are such a good researcher you should be well aware of the fact that very few wise or computer-savvy women provide much information on an open site such as GR ...................... we prize our privacy and safety too much.

There is also the problem that there is much overlap between forenames on a site with over 12 million members. Hence why I have "In Canada" as part of my Board name, or Ann has Lancashire as part of hers. It helps to distinguish us from other people with the same name ............... allows other members to know just who they are addressing.

You are not the only Jeremy!


It also does not mean that we are not also good researchers, or that we do not visit WDYTYA .............. or would if we lived in the UK, and could attend without it costing us an arm and a leg.


I know that there many people on these Boards who have been doing genealogical research for at least as long as you, and for much longer than you in a number of cases ..................... and in exactly the same way.


I would also dare to say that quite a few members have spoken to FH societies, both large and small. Some have even been leaders of courses given by FH societies.


So there was no need to malign your fellow members.


After all, you only joined in 2009 ............... this site began in 2002, and there are many who joined back then. My own membership began in early 2004.



As MC said, no-one doubts your credentials ....................


............. and no one objects to you making a living out of doing research for other people.


.......... it is the ETHICS of you asking for free help on these Boards or by pm to a member, and asking for copies of certificates etc that a member has bought, and then providing that information to other people for a price.


All the people on these Boards are members of GR, and provide help to each other and to any one that asks, for free, out of the goodness of their heart and out of a love for genealogical research.

We all use various sources, some of which are subscription sites, and we all buy certificates or documents needed for our OWN research ........................ and we often do provide to others information for which we have paid, or provide copies of documents to people who are closely connected to our own ancestors.


People like you are taking advantage of that love of research.

That is what this thread was about.





sylvia

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 15:14

It wasn't your credentials that anyone was doubting Jeremy .....

Jed

Jed Report 25 Feb 2013 15:06

Hello Michael (& GR members noted above)

Michael, I attend numerous family history based talks all over the place and so from after a talk (local to you I believe) I met up with one of your (possible) relations who asked me to do some research - and to prove a very old family tale, which of course and after leaving “no stone unturned” I did, and this person is extremely happy and pleased that I was able to put some light on the tale.

I have come across so many people and researchers that have given up looking into their family history because of numerous obstacles, and so I have been asked to help out with some amazing families and tales because of this! Have you or how many of you have been asked to do a family history based talk in front of a large Family History Society, in fact could you actually do it and what could you teach them?... well we can all learn from each other and there is so much more for us to learn out there?
I started my research way back before emails or the internet was ever invented, by writing letters all over the place (the old fashioned way) including to the German archives (I wrote in English) and then I received the replies in German! so I had to get these translated – it was fun back then and its still great fun today whether I'm contacting German, French or even the South African archives - to name just a few.

I've only just updated my website mainly because I've been so extremely busy with my research “around the globe” - I try to include and give a glimpse of what I've been working on and what is possible of course with very hard work!!.... if one knows what to do and one tries hard enough he/she/we will get there with some determination!

As my website says I've been hunting through copious archives for well over 30 years now and I have enjoyed every single piece of the jigsaw no matter whether its connected to my family of not.

I attend the brilliant “Who Do You Think You Are” show at Olympia London and similar events each year, its terrific to meet up with most of the large online genealogy and family history based companies and there is so much to be gained and learnt by doing this. The GenesReunited team are a great bunch and they’re always very helpful. Many thousands of people visit the WDYTYA show every year from all over the world because it’s the largest event of its kind - have you or any of the above members visited the show…. if not you should try it some time.

GR members may hide their real names with a funny user name or nicknames but I have no wish to hide my name because I am who I am. Google’ing my name will bring up numerous website links appertaining to my work, talks and as a speaker so you can see and read a little more of what is possible family history wise.

Good luck to you.... and all the others on GR members with your research.
Best regards
Jeremy

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 12 Feb 2013 08:40

agree Sylvia. Thanks for clarifying

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 12 Feb 2013 01:27

I think it's the "non-commercial" bit which covers US



but it probably would not cover a professional researcher!

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 11 Feb 2013 22:48

Does this bit cover you using info provided for free by other members

'except for your own personal, private and non-commercial use,'