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Can someone help me please ??
I am stuck on my wife`s side of the tree.
All I have is
John Handel b.1833 in Germany
This appears on the 1881 census and he was stated as
being a Master Baker in East London.
What i need to find out is when and why he came to the UK
and how to find his birth certificate.
Any suggestions would be appreciated
Meanwhile
Best regards
Trevor Mitchell in sunny Queenslan :-(

Trevor, can you remove the other post, it seems you may have clicked twice on send:

The 1881 shows him as married to Emily but think this may have been earlier marriage, Johann is a baker

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Johann Handel
Name: Johann Handel
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Ann Maria Lewis
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jul 1860
Parish: Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Christian Handel
Spouse Father Name: Robert Lewis
Register Type: Parish Register

His marriage to Emily ( he was a widower)

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Handel
Name: John Handel ( Baker)
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emily Reeves
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Sep 1875
Parish: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Christian Frederick Handel
Spouse Father Name: John Herbert Reeves
Register Type: Parish Register

This is mistranscribed, but pretty certain it's John and first wife as per marriage above, John is a baker, image looks more like Handle but is quite faint


..1861 England Census
about John Hundley ( Handel)

Name: John Hundley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ames M Hundley
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany

Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 245
Piece: 306
Folio: 102
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John Hundley 28
Ames M Hundley ****Wife Annie M age indistinct poss 18
John L Hundley 8 Months

London England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Mary Ann Handel
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Jul 1869
Father's Name: John Handel ( baker)
Mother's Name: Ann Maria Handel
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

I can't see John on the 1851 so possibly he came here after that ?

I've not used these websites personally, but a quick google "looking for german ancestry" brought up several. A quick glance at these few looked promising (for background info if nothing else).

http://www.germanroots.com/germanlinks.html
http://genealogy.about.com/od/germany/a/basics.htm
http://www.findmygermanancestors.com/

You may never find the actual reason for your ancestors coming to Britain, but you can speculate...they would have been amongst several thousands of eastern Europeans who fled their own country for (mainly) USA and UK during the 1800's. Immigration to UK is nothing new, but particularly during this time it was on a huge scale. The most common reasons were all or any of the following - they were extremely poor, had no work, no prospects, war, civil war, revolution, collapsed economy, persecution etc and, naturally, they would be attracted to a country which appeared to have more to offer, ie peace, work, a better standard of living, better conditions, etc. In fact, when you think about it, for much the same reasons, though without the desperation, why people, in more recent times, went to Australia (I'm thinking £10 poms for example).

Death cert for Ann Maria

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)


HANDEL Annie Maria 30 Poplar 1c 419

can't find them in 1871 census?

Alien passenger immigration shows a Johannes Handel, a Baker, arriving 25 May 1854, London.
Port of departure: Rotterdam Netherlands.
Ship: Fyenoord.
Country of Origin: Hotzelfingen
....which I think is mistranscribed, it should read HOLzelfingen with an L not a T.


Found this by googling..............

Holzelfingen
Geographic coordinates
48° 25' 30" North, 9° 16' 35" West

Current time in Holzelfingen
11:02:17

Holzelfingen is a small village in Baden-Württemberg, Germany, Europe.
We bring you detailed map of Holzelfingen with satellite images from multiple providers like Google, Bing or OpenStreetmap.


EDIT NOTE: Holzelfingen is near the towns of Lichtenstein and St Johann in S Germany (c50km s of Stuttgart), not to be confused with Liechtenstein the tiny country south of Germany, nestled between Austria and Switzerland :-).