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MarilynB Report 19 Feb 2013 16:19

Detective, thanks again. As yet I have not found a marriage for a Deering to an Ellen before/after?? Ann`s 1800 baptism. Will look after work sometime.

I will enquire at Manchester Library when I eventually get there on one of my now and again visits.

Thanks for your help and suggestions.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 18 Feb 2013 20:10

Have you found a marriage for a Deering to an Ellen after Ann's 1800 baptism?

Ellen Deering is described as a widow on her marriage in 1806, which is why she might possibly be Ann's parent.

You could ask the archives if they had another version of the baptismal records, but the fact that of the enscription " Nothing More on Notes" does suggest that it is a copy of something else. That in turn might not have anything written against it!


MarilynB Report 18 Feb 2013 14:38

Detective, I think the Ellen Deering one is maybe a little bit late, the other one looks more probable, and as you say, there is only one Deering marriage so it does look likely that James and Mary could be the parents. Wonder if for some reason the parents didnt want their names on, seems unusual though. Do you think I would find some more information at the record office, if they had Bishops Transcripts. I am grateful for you taking the time to help me with this.



+++DetEcTive+++ Report 17 Feb 2013 23:32

As you've probably found, this is the only Deering marriage in Manchester which fits with the other baptisms.

James Deering
Marriage Date: 31 May 1797
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Spouse's Name: Mary Blomeley
Archive Roll: 689

Have you discounted this one? She is a widow

Ellen Deering
Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1806
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Spouse's Name: William Haithan
Archive Roll: 691


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 17 Feb 2013 23:19

And the baptism

Ann Deering
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1800
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Archive Roll: 755

As you say, no parents recorded on the image - someone didn't do their job properly!!


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 17 Feb 2013 23:05

This is the record you've got from Ancestry

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

Richard Hartley
Marriage Date: 24 Mar 1818
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Spouse's Name: Ann Pearden
Archive Roll: 694

It certainly looks as if it's been written as Dearden but signed as Deering


MarilynB Report 17 Feb 2013 21:14

Thanks for replies, yes that's them, I have their marriage record and have them in the census 1841 and 1851. The name comes from child's birth certificate! Sorry didn't reply sooner had to go work. The marriage is written as between Ann dear don and Richard Hartley, but she signed Ann Deering.


brummiejan Report 17 Feb 2013 16:19

Is this them? If so, I am guessing Ann's name came from a birth cert originally?

1841 England Census
Name: Ann Hartley
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road

Richard Hartley 40
Ann Hartley 40
Mary Hartley 18
Frances Hartley 15
Elizabeth Hartley 14
Thomas Hartley 13
James Hartley 8
Michael Hartley 3 Mo

groom's name: Richard Hartley
bride's name: Ann Dearden

marriage date: 24 Mar 1818
marriage place: Manchester, Lancashire, England

indexing project (batch) number: M00918-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545579
reference number: Item 1 Pg 113 #337


brummiejan Report 17 Feb 2013 16:12

Hi MarilynB.
Have you got details of marriage and do you have them on a census? Always helps folks trying to help if they can 'tune in' to the people in question!


MarilynB Report 17 Feb 2013 15:40

I have been looking for the birth/baptism of an Ann Deardon after she married one of my ancestors Richard Hartley. After looking closely at this marriage record I noticed that she had signed Ann DEERING and noticed that one of their daughters birth certificate had the mother also as Ann DEERING.

There is a possible baptism on IGI of an Ann Deering in 1800 (my records give date of birth as about 1801), but it gives no parents. But it lists one or two others all with same parents. I looked up these on the new Ancestry Parish Records and all it says is " Nothing More on Notes". The baptism is in Manchester Cathedral and on Ancestry the only ones with the Deering surname all have the same parents.

Just wondered what the chances are of Anns parents being the same too, or do you think there is another reason why no parents are listed for Ann. Is there any other way, or records where I could possibly find one or maybe both parents.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have thought of looking at the siblings marriages for Ann as a possible witness but cant find any Deering marriages, and I havent got any siblings for Richard Hartley.

Thanks :-S