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Can't find record of marriage

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Jay

Jay Report 28 Feb 2013 17:42

My ancestor Robert Thomas - b 1843 in Liverpool to William and Elizabeth Thomas - married Margery between the 1861 and 1871 censuses. I have tried searching for their marriage record but without success. Their first child (that I'm aware of) was born in 1872. Any help would be appreciated as I feel I have searched so much now that I may not be able to see the wood for the trees.
Thank you in advance.

jax

jax Report 28 Feb 2013 17:48

Maybe they did'nt marry?

One of the childrens birth certs should give her maiden name

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Feb 2013 17:50

Is this who you mean? Maybe Cecilia's birth cert would be the way to go if so:

1881 England Census
Name: Cecilia Thomas
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Thomas
Mother's name: Margery Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Aldersey St 4 Court 2 House

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin

Robert Thomas 38
Margery Thomas 36
Cecilia Thomas 9
Mary Thomas 7
Elizabeth Thomas 4
Sarah Jane Thomas 2

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Feb 2013 17:51

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
THOMAS Cecilia W. Derby 8b 285

jax

jax Report 28 Feb 2013 17:52

Unless her name was Margaret??

Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Robert Thomas >>>Plater
Name: Robert Thomas
Birth Year: abt 1843
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1864
Parish: Richmond St Anne
Spouse's Name: Margaret Pye
Father's Name: William Thomas >>>Digger or Rigger
Spouse Father's Name: John Pye

Edit the image does say Margery...well it looks like it to me

jax

jax Report 28 Feb 2013 18:43

1851 England Census
about Margery Poye
Name: Margery Poye
[Margery Pye]
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: John Poye
Mother's name: Eliza Poye
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
Cecelia Tunstall 65
Eliza Poye 38
John Poye 39
Cecilia Poye 17
James Poye 13
Eliza Poye 10
Margery Poye 6

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 28 Feb 2013 18:56

Agree with jax - the bride's name on that 1864 marriage is Margery

Cecilia's baptism for reference:

Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Cecilia Thomas
Baptism Date: 2 Jul 1871
Parish: Toxteth Park St John the Baptist
Father's Name: Robert Thomas - boilermaker
Mother's name: Margery Thomas

Address: 13 Park Street

I notice on the 1851 that Margery has a sister called Cecilia

jax

jax Report 28 Feb 2013 19:19

And a grandmother MC

This is the marriage on freebmd

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
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Pye M_ Liverpool 8b 32
Thomas Robert Liverpool 8b 32

Jay

Jay Report 28 Feb 2013 19:42

Thank you everybody. Robert Pollard was a boilermaker as I have tracked him through the census to 1901. Cecilia's sister Elizabeth was my gt gt grandmother. I will follow the Pye link for now and order Elizabeth or Cecilia's birth certificate to see if that confirms the maiden name. The sister Cecilia on the 1851 census is too much of a coincidence isn't it?
I do appreciate this help. I began my family history research about 6 years ago but for the past 3 years haven't had time to do much with it. I picked it up again about 3 weeks ago and am hooked again! Watch out for my request for help with Edward Hornby shortly as he's my 'brick wall'.

jax

jax Report 28 Feb 2013 20:42

Think you mean Robert Thomas not Pollard

Roberts father in 1851 was a Rigger so that matches.....one of the witnesses was a Sarah Thomas but was crossed out and the surname James was written??....Robert had a sister called Sarah so could be her

It is also a big coincedence that Margery Pye had a sister and Grandmother named
Cecilia....not a common name...get the birth cert by all means, always good to have

Three other children who were born before 1871 who may have died as they are not on the 1871 census....Robert was a boiler maker

Name: James Thomas
Mother: Margery Thomas
Father: Robert Thomas
Baptism: 11 Aug 1867 - Toxteth Park St John the Baptist, Lancashire

Liverpool, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906



Name: William Thomas
Mother: Margery Thomas
Father: Robert Thomas
Baptism: 11 Aug 1867 - Toxteth Park St John the Baptist, Lancashire


Name: Robert Thomas
Mother: Magery Thomas
Father: Robert Thomas
Baptism: 4 Jun 1870 - Toxteth Park St John the Baptist, Lancashire

Jay

Jay Report 28 Feb 2013 22:09

Oops - Pollard is another name on my family tree! Yes, I had assumed they had had other children who had not survived before Cecilia. Thank you Jax for their details.