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Is it possible that the birth of child in 1907 may not have been registered? I can find no record of my Grandfather's birth despite an extensive search. To give a bit of background, his Mother was 16 years old when she gave birth to him & was unmarried. I have tried everything & am completely stumped - workhouse records, Scottish records (in case she was sent away to give birth) & various names/surnames - all to no avail. Any advice would be greatly received. Many Thanks.

He should have been registered, but maybe just as 'male.then surname.

Was he raised by his mother?
What name was he known by at marriage and throughout his life?
Where do you suspect he was born?

Gwyn

And how certain are you that he was born in 1907?

Hi Kay and welcome to the GR message boards.

As you can see, there are various possiblities. If you care to post the details that you know, then peolple on the boards can try to help.

Andy

I was working back and got to Arthur, but is it your grandfather on your mother's side, as this does not fit?
Arthur J Cheesman
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1968
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5f
Page: 841

This looks better (or worse)
Harry Puxty
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1907
Date of Registration: Jul 1992
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Tunbridge Wells
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1866

Was his mother a Puxty or did he take that surname when she married?

Have you found him in 1911?

Rose

Mother was a Wilson. Have you seen this:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=415702.0

Try searching for Alfred Edmund Puxty.

Rose

Have you seen the Harry Wilson in Tonbridge Union Workhouse in 1911?

Rose

As Kay is a new member and its her first posting, I have sent her a pm telling her
how to get back to the thread.

Jan

The Harry Wilson in the workhouse in 1911 is there with his parents and 3 siblings the eldest of which was 7. parents had been married for 8 years . So isn't the Harry Wilson being looked for I think

Edit this refers to the posting "have you seen the Harry Wilson in the Tonbridge workhouse on the 1911 census"

Can see why you have his mum as aged 16 when he was born

Name: Jane Puxty
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1486


Name: Alfred E Puxty
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1486

1901 England Census about Alfred E Purty
Name: Alfred E Purty
[Alfred E Puxty]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Purty
Mother's name: Emily A Purty
Gender: Male
Where born: Flimwell, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Ticehurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Flimwell St Augustine
Town: Flimwell
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Ticehurst
Sub-registration district: Ticehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Piece: 892
Folio: 11
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
William Purty 43
Emily A Purty 40
William H Purty 19
Alfred E Purty 18>>>>>>>>>
Nellie Purty 13
Frank C Purty 10
Agnes Purty 8
Albert E Purty
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 892; Folio: 11; Page: 13.

so Alfred isnt at home in 1911
Name: William Puxty
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Goudhurst, Kent
Civil parish: Ticehurst and Etchingham
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address: London Road Flimwell Sussex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Ticehurst
Registration District Number: 73
Sub-registration district: Ticehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 4901
Household Members:
Name Age
William Puxty 53
Emily Ann Puxty 50
Nellie Puxty 23
Frank Charles Puxty 20
Albert Edward Puxty 16

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 4901; Schedule Number: 76.

from CWGC site

PUXTY, NORAH ANN

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
13/02/1944
Age:
5
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
SEVENOAKS, RURAL DISTRICT
Additional Information:
of Lamberhurst Cottages, Halstead. Daughter of Alfred Edmund and Jane Puxty. Died at Lamberhurst Cottages.



PUXTY, DOROTHY ROSE

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
13/02/1944
Age:
12
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
SEVENOAKS, RURAL DISTRICT
Additional Information:
of Lamberhurst Cottages, Halstead. Daughter of Alfred Edmund and Jane Puxty. Died at Lamberhurst Cottages.




PUXTY, GEORGE THOMAS

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
13/02/1944
Age:
15
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
SEVENOAKS, RURAL DISTRICT
Additional Information:
of Lamberhurst Cottages, Halstead. Son of Alfred Edmund and Jane Puxty. Died at Lamberhurst Cottages.

PUXTY, ALFRED EDMUND

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
13/02/1944
Age:
60
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
SEVENOAKS, RURAL DISTRICT
Additional Information:
of Lamberhurst Cottages, Halstead. Husband of Jane Puxty. Died at Lamberhurst Cottages.

PUXTY, JANE

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
13/02/1944
Age:
54
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
SEVENOAKS, RURAL DISTRICT
Additional Information:
of Lamberhurst Cottages, Halstead. Wife of Alfred Edmund Puxty. Died at Lamberhurst Cottages


so with the yougest being 5 years old they were still having family in the 1930.s

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Puxty Alfred E Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1461
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Puxty Jessie M Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1624
Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Puxty Frank W Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1479
Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Puxty Charles A Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1256
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Puxty Violet N Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1447
Births Jun 1925 (>99%)
Puxty William F Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1382
Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Puxty George T Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1377
Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Puxty Dorothy R Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1453
Births Mar 1939 (>99%)
Puxty Norah A Wilson Sevenoaks 2a 1599


but no marrige coming up for them

It would seem Jane took Harry into the marriage with her and he was known as Puxty.

Its possible she didnt register his birth as she was very young and may not have been at home. I have a relation born in 1904 who wasnt reg cos her dad was an army deserter and her mum didnt want to draw attention to the fact he had been home ! lol


If you know his mum was Jane and unmarried then it highly unlikely any dad would be on the cert anyway

and its been assumed its paternal grandfather,,,,,maybe its on the posters maternal side? :-D

This was Kay's first posting, and she may not realise how quickly replies can appear.

I have sent her one of my 'how to find your replies' messages but, unfortunately, it hasn't been opened as yet.

Hopefully Kay will return soon.

Hello,

Sorry I haven't responded but I have an extremely busy job & this is the first opportunity I have had to log onto GR this week.

Thanks for all the replies which I will read in due course, & in response to PigletsPal's comments I wasn't aware that by posting in this chat that anyone would undertake specific research for me so I am upset that people have gone to so much trouble . I am very grateful of course for the information provided, and I do have most of this already; but my question was of a more general nature about births in 1907.

Kind Regards.

Hello Kay.

It is possible ? that your grandmother's birth, wasn't registered. I have searched long and hard, to find the birth of my mother born 1910. ......

With a lot of help given, by members of this help board. My mother was found, and a d.o.b. given, which, proved correct by her school admittance form. BUT I still can't trace a Birth Certificate.

Kind Regards.
Margaret

Yes it does seem possible.
My friends Nan was born 1905/6 and despite ordering ALL possible certs none are correct, her Nan never knew her exact DOB.

Kind regards
Amanda