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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Mar 2013 15:16

Now just to confuse things, Elijah Moore father-in-law of James Bott) also had a brother William Moore born about 1835 who was a Coal Miner!

1851

Name: Elijah Moore
Age: 11 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Moore
Mother's name: Hannah Moore
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Thringstone, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Thringstone
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Measham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 2084
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Moore 48
Hannah Moore 38
Joseph Moore 18
William Moore 14
Harriet Moore 7
James Moore 3
Elijah Moore 11 Mo
William Cutler 44
Sarah Cutler 5

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Mar 2013 15:06

Marriages Jun 1863
BOTT John Ashby De La Z 7a 173 <<<<<<<<<
MOORE Sarah Ashby de la Z 7a 173 <<<<<<<<
WHATNALL William Ashby de la Z 7a 173
WILSON Mary Ashby de la Z 7a 173

1871

Name: Obediah Bott
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Bott
Mother's name: Sarah Bott
Gender: Male
Where born: Thringston, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Swannington
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitwick
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Whitwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 231
Piece: 3251
Folio: 43
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John Bott 30
Sarah Bott 27
Mary Ann Bott 7
Obediah Bott 5
Elizabeth Bott 3
John Thomas Bott 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Mar 2013 14:56

Births Jun 1884 Bott Sarah Hannah Chesterfield 7b 726

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BATES Joseph Edwin Chesterfield 7b 1465 <<<<<<<<<
BOTT Sarah Hannah Chesterfield 7b 1465 <<<<<<<<
Moss John Chesterfield 7b 1465
WHITE Sarah Chesterfield 7b 1465


1911 - Nice of Sarah to include her middle name!

Name: Sarah Hannah Bates
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stonebroom, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Richmond St Mansfield
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Mansfield
Registration District Number: 428
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 20341
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Bates 30
Sarah Hannah Bates 27
Ernest Bates 6
Joseph Bates 3
Albert Bates 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Mar 2013 14:42

1911

Name: George Bott
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stonebroom, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Richmond St Big Barn Lane Mansfield Notts
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer's Labourer
Registration district: Mansfield
Registration District Number: 428
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 20341
Household Members: Name Age
George Bott 29 Married 7 years, no children
Cecelia Bott 29

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Mar 2013 14:30

Deaths Mar 1887 Bott Obadiah 20 Chesterfield 7b 374

Deaths Jun 1885 BOTT John 45 Chesterfield 7b 369

???

????

Marriages Jun 1890

BOTT Sarah Chesterfield 7b 1194 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Martin Charles Chesterfield 7b 1194 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
SHAW Mary Ann Chesterfield 7b 1194
Wardle William Chesterfield 7b 1194

1891

Name: Sarah Martin
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Martin
Gender: Female
Where born: Thringston, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Temple
Ecclesiastical parish: Chesterfield
Town: Temple
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2760
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Martin 39
Sarah Martin 47
George Martin 10
Sarah H Martin 6



1901

Name: Sarah Martin
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Thringstone, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Hasland
Ecclesiastical parish: Hasland St Paul
Town: Hasland
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 3251
Folio: 22
Page Number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Martin 58 Widow
George Bott 19 b. Stonebroom
Sarah A Bott 16 b. Stonebroom
Abanalich Roby 37

1911 Sarah with daughter Emma

Name: Sarah Martin
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Whitwick, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Ripley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pentrich Warf
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: No Occupation
Registration district: Belper
Registration District Number: 436
Sub-registration district: Ripley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 20973
Household Members: Name Age
Ernest Grummitt 35
Emma Grummitt 34
Sarah Martin 67
Henry Clarke 23 Boarder
James Leslie Clarke 8
Millicent Annie Clarke 4

Marriages Dec 1897

BIRD Ann Mary Belper 7b 1168
Bott Emma Belper 7b 1168 <<<<<<<<<<
GRUMMITT Ernest Belper 7b 1168 <<<<<<<<<<<
Sims John Belper 7b 1168


Unknown

Unknown Report 27 Mar 2013 14:24

THANKS that makes sense i can connect that in ive got john and sarah on the 1871 and 1881 census i couldnt find the 1891 census for them either someone said that james was on the 1891 census under james moore with william and emma moore i dont no if ther was any other names on census been looking for it but carnt find this
back to looking thanks

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Mar 2013 14:02

Following on from the census posted on one of the other threads.

Posted by Maddie

a tree on ancestry has this family

I don't know if it is yours
mothers maiden name Sarah Moore

1881
BOTT, John Head Married M 41 1840 Coal Miner
Earl Shilton, Leicestershire VIEW
BOTT, Sarah Wife Married F 38 1843
Thringston, Leicestershire VIEW
BOTT, Obadiah Son Single M 15 1866 Ganger In Pit (Collier)
Thringston, Leicestershire VIEW
BOTT, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Thringston, Leicestershire VIEW
BOTT, Thomas Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Thringston, Leicestershire VIEW
BOTT, William Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Thringston, Leicestershire VIEW
BOTT, Emma Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Blackwell, Derbyshire VIEW
BOTT, Ellen Daughter Single F 2 1879
Stonebroom, Derbyshire VIEW


1851

Name: Sarah Moore
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Moore
Mother's name: Mary Moore
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Thringstone, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Thringstone
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Measham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 2084
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
William Moore 39
Mary Moore 40
William D Moore 15 <<<<<< Coal Miner
Ann Moore 17
Joseph Moore 12
Sarah Moore 7
John Moore 5
Thomas Moore 4


If the above is the correct family that would make James Bott the nephew of William Moore that he was living with in 1881?

Not seeing John and Sarah Bott on the 1891 census.


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Mar 2013 23:34

So that was 4 threads .......

Reggie

Reggie Report 26 Mar 2013 23:30

There is - or was - another thread apart from the one highlighted.

EDIT


http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1321207

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Mar 2013 23:24

Deborah, the advice I gave you was constructive and was not complaining. It was given with the best intentions to help you use the boards properly and explain how they work.

You haven't acknowledged that you now understand.

The people who help out on the boards are paying members like yourself and we use our own time and resources to help others with their research, as well as pointing out how the boards work.

If you don't like that then you may wish to use forums on other sites.

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 26 Mar 2013 22:17

Deborah, I find your attitude to being given advice which was also given in good faith appalling and will count my self as one of those on the list of people who will not be offering you helping in future

Roy

Unknown

Unknown Report 26 Mar 2013 21:07

Well for those that are been funny about my post even though I said sorry as I did not no certain things on the site as we all start somewhere as I was only saying what I new and what I was trying to find out I did not see this as a problem I thank everyone for there great help they give me ,,,and for those people who are replying to complain don't bother leave the space for someone who wants to help people,,thank you

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Mar 2013 21:07

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1321762

(not sure if more info. on above)

Chris :)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 21:02

1911

Name: William Moore
Age in 1911: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Thringstone, Lestureshire
Civil parish: Craghead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 32 William Street Craghead SO Durham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Retired Coal Miner Rerining Oldage Rension
[Retired Coal Miner Receiving Old Age Pension]
Registration district: Lanchester
Registration District Number: 550
Sub-registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 29902
Household Members: Name Age
William Moore 76
Emma Moore 66
Joseph Walters 28 Grandson
Esther Walters 32 Granddaughter-in-law
Emma Walters 2 Great Granddaughter



Not sure how they have managed to have a grandson? Against William's name it says married 41 years 0 children.


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 20:53

1911

Name: James Bott
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Thringstone, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Pelton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Pine St Grange Villa
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Chester le Street
Registration District Number: 554
Sub-registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 30103
Household Members: Name Age
James Bott 36
Barbara Bott 29
William Henry Bott 9
George Bott 8
Emma Bott 1
John Bott 6

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 20:44

For ref.

1901

Name: James Bott
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Stonebroom, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Selston
Ecclesiastical parish: Selston St Helen
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 3145
Folio: 203
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Elizah Moore 50
Sarah A Moore 44
Ann Bott 19
Frances J Moore 9
Harry Moore 7
James Bott 26 Coal Miner
Abraham Bottes 44

?????

1881

Name: James Bott
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Turingstone, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Shirland
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: Stonebroom
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Ashover
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3429
Folio: 75
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William Moore 45
Emma Moore 35
James Bott 6
George Wright 35
Emma Wright 35
George Wright 9
Elizabeth Wright 7
John W. Wright 4
Annie Wright 2
Emma Wright

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Mar 2013 19:45

Deborah, if you look to the left of the pages on these community boards you'll see a link called "My Threads", if you click on that it takes you to all the threads you've started or posted on. Just select the thread related to your current query and add to it as described above.

As Kath says, the thread moves to the front of the boards every time something is posted on it.

EDIT: It looks like the previous thread has now been deleted.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 26 Mar 2013 13:54

Deborah

People don't have to scroll through pages of chat to find your thread. If you add a reply to it or ask for more help then your post will bring the thread up to the top of the board so everyone will see it. They will also see all the other replies and information that has already been found - that way they won't repeat research that has already been done.

I know it's confusing when you first start but helpers get put off if they spend ages looking for something to then find the information has already been found and added to a previous thread.

Kath. x

Unknown

Unknown Report 26 Mar 2013 13:36

im sorry if you are , Bothered , about my post i was asking in good faith has im very new at all this people on this site have been really helpfull and kind not everyone scrolls through pages of chat and i thought i would ask theses lovely people if they could help linking people with me has they seem to have more expereince and no where to look and what sites to use for each search has i kept drawing a blank and well has needing more infor on this person,,, :-( :-(

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 Mar 2013 12:38

Deborah - you have another thread on this...or at least it is related.

Please look at it, and if the question hasn't been answered, add to the original thread by clicking on the Add Reply button.

www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1322085

It's been suggested that you purchase his MC to give the name of his father if known. That way, you have a better chance of finding his family.

Please don't start more threads about the same man/family as it is not only against T&C, but also means that helpers go over the same ground.

Thank you.