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William Engles - Launceston Tasmania

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Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Apr 2013 01:58

The ''State Library of TAS' ...(on-line) ...has an "Ask a Librarian' service- they will check their MANY records ..... suggest checking out their site for other (helpful) options.

Valerie (WAus)

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 1 Apr 2013 03:32

Launceston Examiner Saturday 8 January 1881

LAUNCESTON POLICE COURT. FRIDAY, JANUARY 7.

Before H. T. A. Murray, Esq., J.P.

Hore-stealing.- George Church and William Engle were brought up on remand, charged so with stealing a horse, the property of Daniel Healy. Mr Miller watched the case on behalf of the prisoners. Daniel Hoaly deposed that he had recently purchased land at Proser's Forest; he was residing there in December last, and on the 20th of that month he missed a horse; the horse was a bay, five years old, with black points and very hairy legs; there were no marks or brands on the horse ; the mane was very curly, and hung down both sides of the neck ; the horse had been running in a fenced paddock near witness's house; witness had last seen the horse on the night of the 19th December : the horse outside the court was the one, and he had no doubt of its identity ; he had not authorised any person to remove the animal ; he valued the horse at £50; the prisoners were living with their mother, who was a tenant of witness. Constable Murphy, of the Campbell Town police force, deposed that on the 28th of December he was on duty on the township, and saw the prisoners ; they were riding two horses, one a cart horse and the other a chesnut hack: they were proceeding in the direction of Hobart; witness had seen both the horses outside the Court that morning ; he was sure they were the the same animals. Edwin Reynolds, a coach proprietor and hotel keeper at Green Ponds, deposed that both prisoners put up at his hotel on December 21, and baited their horses; they wanted to sell to witness the chesnut horse, but he declined to buy, and the cart-horse was subsequently purchased by Mr.Bowman, for £27 odd; the money was paid in witness's presence in notes and cheques, and witness drew out the receipt at, Mr Bowman's request ; the taller prisoner of the two (Engle) whom the horse was sold, said he could not write, but he made his mark on the receipt; he gave his name as Thos. Johnson, and the signature was witnessed by witness; the receipt produced was the same one ; the prisoners told him they had brought both the horses from the tin mines ; the horses outside the Court were the same. By the Bench-It was only the taller prisoner (Engle)'who cited an interest in the cart.horse; he said it belonged to him.. Percy Bowman, a farmer residing at Green Ponds, gave corroborative evidence. Patrick Finnigan. Superintendent of Police at a Green Ponds, produced the cart horse outside the Court. In consequence of what he heard he had gone to Mr Bowman's place on Dec. 25 and examined a horse ; he found that it an. swered to the description of a horse reported in a the crime report as having been stolen ; he took the horse away; the horse outside was the one. At this stage the case was, on the application b of the C.D.C., remanded till Wednesday, as there were other charges pending against the prisoners.

A Similar Charge..-The same prisoners were then charged with stealing on Dec. 19 a chestnut horse. valued at £5, the property of Jane Beeson, Piper's River. Mr Miller also watched this case for the prisoners. Jane Beeson deposed that on December 18 her son Thomas left home on a chestnut horse, the property of witness, for the purpose of visiting a Mrs Church's place at Prosser's Forest; he returned on the following Monday without the horse, and was carrying the saddle; the chestnut outsitde the Court was the one. Thomas Beeson deposed to going to Mrs Church's, Prosser's Forest, on the 18th ult.; Mrs Church was the mother of the prisoner Geo. Church ; witness was riding a chesnut horse, which he described ; witness saw the prisoners at. Mrs Church's when he arrived there ; his horse was put in the shed, and was there next day, but in the evening witness missed the horse ; Mrs Church told witness in the presence of prisoners that the horse had broken loose and got away ; witness thought his horse had gone home, but when he returned home next day (Monday) he did not find the I horse there ; he had not seen the animal since till he saw it outside the Court that day ; he had not given any permission for its removal from the shed : the prisoners left Church's the evening before witness left (Dec. 10) ; they told they were going to Hobart; this was shortly after witness missed the horse from the stable. Constable Murphy repeated his evidence given in the previous case. Edwin Reynolds, of the Turf Hotel, Green Ponds, gave similar evidence to that in the previous case, and further stated that after Mr Bownman had purchased the draughthorse, Church offered witness the chesnut horse, with saddle and bridle, for £14; witness said he would give that if the saddle and bridle off the draught horse were thrown in also; Church agreed, and sold the lot for £14, saying it was too little money, but he wanted to leave with his brother ; prisoner Church gave his name as George Joihnson, and put his mark to the receipt witness drew out, which he produced; witness gave up the horse to Superintendent Finnigan, of the Green Ponds police. Superintendent Finnigan, of the Green Ponds Municipality. deposed to receiving the horse from the last witness. District Constable 'William Hopkins, of the Territorial Police, stationed at Hobart, deposed to arresting the prisoners on the 24th December, at the house of Thomrn Bayes, a brother in-law of Eagle, Hobart; when searched 11s 6d was found on Engle, and Church had no money on him. Mr C.D.C. Prosecuting asked that the prisoners might be remanded, as he had two other cases pending against them. The Bench remanded the prisoners till Wednesday next. .

Paul Barton, Special Agent

Paul Barton, Special Agent Report 1 Apr 2013 03:08

Launceston Examiner Saturday 29 January 1870:

Trespassing.- William Engle was prosecuted by Thomas Wade for being illegally upon certain land belonging to complainant, without his permission, and without being able to give any reasonable excuse. The man acknowledged the offence, and was ordered to pay a fine of 1s, with 7s 6d costs.

cookie4416

cookie4416 Report 31 Mar 2013 21:42

No dont know anything about William at all except that he appears as her father on Alice's birth registration.
I am assuming it was in Launceston as the friend that registed the birth was from Launceston.
Yes Israel / John raised Alice with his own children with Mary Webster.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2013 11:59

Cook - is this related to your Israel Freestone thread?
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1320962

I know it's a query about a different chap but we don't want to go over what's already been found so have posted link for background info.

Flip

Flip Report 31 Mar 2013 11:36

Other than him being named on Alice's birth do you know anything else - his age, where born etc? Just a name is not much to go on.

cookie4416

cookie4416 Report 31 Mar 2013 06:02

Looking for a William Engles who had a daughter ( Alice Maud ) with Mary Webster.
Alice was born 30th April 1883.
She was raised by John Freestone and Mary Webster who married on the 2nd December 1883 in the Wesleyan Parsonage Launceston, Tasmania.